dbol + ? what and when ? beginner

Your estrogen is jacked, no surprise like we said, that was expected, atleast your dbol is real lol!

In all honesty, on blasts or cycles it is ok and a good thing to have your estrogen elevated a bit compared to normal as it certainly aids in muscle glycogen and fullness and hence strength. Water weight = stronger = able to tear down workouts harder than with less strength. Ofcourse, it is not ideally healthy and elevated estrogen can cause its own set of problems (gyno, jacked up BP amongst whatever else you may be prone to), but I'm not saying max it out. But a bit of elevated e2 has it's benefits on cycle.

Run an AI though. My point is it doesn't have to be completely normal on blasts/cycles to reap benefits without having it blowing your prostate and gyno up. When cruising though, I keep my e2 at normal range.

AAS are immuno-suppressive somewhat but your fine. It's just means your slightly more likely to catch a cold, or get sick... or take a bit longer to get over sickness. Your not gonna die man haha.

I believe Deca has actually been shown to be positive for the immune system, for the record I have never been sick whilst cruising/blasting on deca, not a cold, fever, anything and this was during winter. Other AAS may be slightly helpful, some may be actually immuno-suppresive and if I was to hazard a guess I would say Tren and every oral would be immunospressive due to their toxicity.

Deca is a great HIV/AIDS medicince for this reason, and that it prevents wasting so well. It truly is an underated compound in my eyes.

Also I think estrogen plays a role in the immune system in a positive way, I could be wrong - One too many beers tonight sorry fellas.
 
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Cant u see the pic attached ? Im on 40mg dbol 2.5weeks and on 300 test e e3d from 7 days.

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Yes lol I meant are you taking any AI now? And if so how much of it?

I believe Deca has actually been shown to be positive for the immune system, for the record I have never been sick whilst cruising/blasting on deca, not a cold, fever, anything and this was during winter. Other AAS may be slightly helpful, some may be actually immuno-suppresive and if I was to hazard a guess I would say Tren and every oral would be immunospressive due to their toxicity.

Also I think estrogen plays a role in the immune system in a positive way, I could be wrong - One too many beers tonight sorry fellas.

Your right my bad, I should've typed test, not AAS. I'll find out just how good deca is in a few short weeks :D

On another note, drinking beers? naughty :roll:
 
No im not taking any ai and i wud like to not take any unless u really recommend me to do so. If those levele arent as bad as they could be and i could get away without any ai ,great . Im coming off dbol in 10 days like and stay only on test.
 
Is hgh helping a lot with a join regeneration ? I m getting 100iu was thinking aboit doing a small dose of 1-2 ij a day till the end of cycle and I m thinking also of doing some winny last 4 weeks.What u think ?
 
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No im not taking any ai and i wud like to not take any unless u really recommend me to do so. If those levele arent as bad as they could be and i could get away without any ai ,great . Im coming off dbol in 10 days like and stay only on test.

Well in that case you probably should have waited til you were off the dbol lol. No point starting an AI now when your e2's gonna drop a fair bit when you drop the dbol anyway. I'd get another blood panel done 2 weeks after you drop the dbol - get total test and estradiol.

As far as your other comment goes... too much bro. It's your first cycle, test is really all you need. No need to throw every compound in that you can now lol.
 
In couple days i will reach my 4 weeks of dbol . Since i started to pin test something like 10 days after i started dbol . Do i need to keep dboling till test kicks in or its fine to stop it after 4 and i will keep gains even test will be only 2weeks in me so far ?
 
Test E by the end of the first week, will already start to be working albeit slowly, the 2nd week itself you would notice increased glycogen storage/fulless and mental effects... Don't listen to bullshit that it takes 6-8 weeks to kick in, the solid mass gaisn won't happen until about then for most but if it really bothers you go another week on the dbol, and start your AI now. If not, finish the dbol and run the test. Get bloodwork at week 4-5 of your test, you should be running an AI and see where you're at so you can get a gauge of how strong/real your test is and where you e2 is at.

I have always allowed my e2 to be over the range, but within reason on blasts due to the extra strength from the water retention.
 
Test E by the end of the first week, will already start to be working albeit slowly, the 2nd week itself you would notice increased glycogen storage/fulless and mental effects... Don't listen to bullshit that it takes 6-8 weeks to kick in, the solid mass gaisn won't happen until about then for most but if it really bothers you go another week on the dbol, and start your AI now. If not, finish the dbol and run the test. Get bloodwork at week 4-5 of your test, you should be running an AI and see where you're at so you can get a gauge how strong/real your test is and where you e2 is at.

I have always allowed my e2 to be over the range, but within reason on blasts due to the extra strength from the water retention.

Thanks ! Ya everyone says it takes many weeks to kick in but i do feel difference already in a libido and overall fuller look.
How much ai so through test intake ? I got arimidex 1mg tablets.
Does arimidex affect heart negatively ? I got some heart problems. Arythmia or somethibg i dunno and it got more noticeable when on dbol but nothing i can get on with. I will drop dbol to 20 mg so for another week. 10mg 1.5h before workout and 10mg 3h later so i get benefit of it.

I noticed my piss colour got darker. Anything to worry about or its normal on dbol and proper diet ?

I will have 100iu of hgh and want to run it in a small dose through rest of my cycle for better regeneration and keeping joints healthy.what dose wud u recommend ? 1iu a day after workout ?
 
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Thanks ! Ya everyone says it takes many weeks to kick in but i do feel difference already in a libido and overall fuller look.
How much ai so through test intake ? I got arimidex 1mg tablets.
Does arimidex affect heart negatively ? I got some heart problems. Arythmia or somethibg i dunno and it got more noticeable when on dbol but nothing i can get on with. I will drop dbol to 20 mg so for another week. 10mg 1.5h before workout and 10mg 3h later so i get benefit of it.

I noticed my piss colour got darker. Anything to worry about or its normal on dbol and proper diet ?

I will have 100iu of hgh and want to run it in a small dose through rest of my cycle for better regeneration and keeping joints healthy.what dose wud u recommend ? 1iu a day after workout ?

That is weird that your urine is so dark. Drink more water, pick up some NAC and other liver support products. Split your dbol doses further apart. 20mg is a low dose of dbol but I still think that if it is quality product you will get a good response. You should run the hgh for at least 6 months whether or not on cycle. If you run it for less time than that you are a fool. Run at least 2 iu's of the gh at any time. As far as I know adex is not bad for your heart but maybe someone else can chime in. You need to be taking the adex now if you are running dbol and test. Speaking of which, what does your cycle look like right now?
 
Im on 40mg dbol a day 10 mg upon waking up , 1.5 h later workout 1.5h ibto workout another 10mg and then 5mg 4 times every 3h plus 300mg test e3d and will start hgh tmrw 2iu a day so. I use ocs support by extreme muscle and i do drink a lot of water. I drunk couple beetroot juices and last of them 48h ago hopefully this affected the piss colour but from what i heard it shudnt. I will do bloods tmrw or friday.

Does hgh gives any nice wellbeing feeling :) ?
 
Im on 40mg dbol a day 10 mg upon waking up , 1.5 h later workout 1.5h ibto workout another 10mg and then 5mg 4 times every 3h plus 300mg test e3d and will start hgh tmrw 2iu a day so. I use ocs support by extreme muscle and i do drink a lot of water. I drunk couple beetroot juices and last of them 48h ago hopefully this affected the piss colour but from what i heard it shudnt. I will do bloods tmrw or friday.

Does hgh gives any nice wellbeing feeling :) ?

If your urine colour doesn't return to normal in a day or two I would go get bloods done. Comprehensive meta bolic panel. You could be having kidney issues. Hopefully it's just the beetroot juice or something..
 
Piss gone back normal so it was the beetroot juice id say. I found my right nipple slightly bigger. No pain no itchy at all . Is it gyno ?
 
Piss gone back normal so it was the beetroot juice id say. I found my right nipple slightly bigger. No pain no itchy at all . Is it gyno ?

AKA you found out the hard way why you should be taking an AI? Yes. Could be early gyno or jsut a fatty pseduogyno deposit.

This is why we say to run 4-600mg Test for a first cycle with an AI on hand, you can get a good gauge of how you may react to other AAS once you find out how your react to test but you should know this, it's why you came to us.
 
Arimidex is an AI, just like Aromasin and Letrozole.

Nolva is a SERM, just like Clomid, Toremifene.

Both "anti-estrogens" except AI's work via stopping androens conversion to estrogens and SERMS do nothing regards to lowering estrogen rather act ac mixed agonists/antagonists at different estrogen receptor sites.

Stick with the 12 weeker.

You really need to do some more research my man...
 
How about doing some research... Which if you had you would already have the answers to it.

I think you're far to emphasised on AAS. All you need for a first cycle is some Test, you will gain wickedly if you know how to train and diet properly, and I say that for your best interests for health AND to get big.

Pick a length/dose, stick with it, don't start it until every AAS/ancillary required is on hand.
 
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