Do steroid lose effect as the body get 'used' to them or is it our max potential???

[China_Wall]

probably wasn't the tren messing with your hairline bro... more than likely Winstrol (winny) was the culprit... but test can cause ur hair to thin out early too if ur predisposed to it

 

[69thelememt]

cycle look ok though? any idea on the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) side of things

 

[China_Wall]

cycle look ok though? any idea on the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) side of things

cycle seems ok for the goals u have outlined... as for the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), some guys swear by it, some guys never run it... I'm one of the never run it's that will be a personal game time decision u will have to make

 

[69thelememt]

think I'm gonna run it just to help the boys in the long run and too help keep from the weight rebounding after test is low, anyone got any ideas on the 1000ui x2 per week for 4 weeks? thats the part i'm still trying to figure

 

[Beyoung]

IMO the "Slow and Steady" cycles yield more results and you keep more of your gains from these type cycls than you do by using ungodly amounts of gear for 10-12 weeks,i dicussed this with one of the senior mods on here,and he was explaining the slow and steady cycles to me,and i also like this course of cycle running,

I would rather run moderate doses,for longer cycles,than to run high doses for shorter cycles,you keep more of your gains doing it this way from what ive learned and talking with alot of people who do this type

What do you consider a longer cycle and at what does?

 

[numba1scrapper]

imo personal experience I'd have to agree with your gym friend.. My first cycle I gained almost 30 pounds, second maybe a hair over 20, third about 15-18, fourth around 12 and ive gained about 10 so far and its week 6.5 in my fifth cycle..

 

[Bullseye Forever]

What do you consider a longer cycle and at what does?

well from what ive learned,lets say you are running test/deca

Test-600-700mg/week-18-20
Deca-400-500mg/week-16-18 weeks

and maybe a little longer if your blood test are ok,and your BP is doing ok,right now im in week 16 of mine,and im going to extend mine a few more weeeks cause ive just noticed some gains the last month,but im keeping up with my blood test and BP.

Also i was referring to using moderate compounds like deca,or eq,var,proviron,masteron etc....not any of the harder compounds.....

 

[juandohh]

when you guys mention blood work what exactly are you referring to ? like on cycle what should you be watching for on your cycle

 

[69thelememt]

imo personal experience I'd have to agree with your gym friend.. My first cycle I gained almost 30 pounds, second maybe a hair over 20, third about 15-18, fourth around 12 and ive gained about 10 so far and its week 6.5 in my fifth cycle..

yeah but what i'm trying to gauge is has this slowing in results come from the fact you are getting close to you natural limit and as such growing beyond that becomes more and more difficult or is it that the body has become used to the steroid itself!!

say if you lost everything you had gained or even did 7 cycles without lifting or gaining, then did a proper cycle r u saying you would just gain 5 Lbs for example from that cycle because the body is more immune??? I'm starting to think it woul be somewhere at least closer to the 20LBS

 

[69thelememt]

"I could've killed'em all ...i could've killed you.. in town you're the law out here its me.... don't push it don't push it...or I will give you a war you won't believe let it go... let it go"
John J rambo!!!!! yiitttt!!!

 

[China_Wall]

imo personal experience I'd have to agree with your gym friend.. My first cycle I gained almost 30 pounds, second maybe a hair over 20, third about 15-18, fourth around 12 and ive gained about 10 so far and its week 6.5 in my fifth cycle..

so ur up 80 lbs from when u first startin runnin gear? impressive bro...

 

[69thelememt]

bump

 

[69thelememt]

Another shameless bump

 

[weights=life]

what are you bumping for? to see if steroids loose effectiveness and your body becomes immune to them? lol i thought that was answered with a no, its usually diet. i would imagine DADAWG said it?

 

[numba1scrapper]

yeah but what i'm trying to gauge is has this slowing in results come from the fact you are getting close to you natural limit and as such growing beyond that becomes more and more difficult or is it that the body has become used to the steroid itself!!

say if you lost everything you had gained or even did 7 cycles without lifting or gaining, then did a proper cycle r u saying you would just gain 5 Lbs for example from that cycle because the body is more immune??? I'm starting to think it woul be somewhere at least closer to the 20LBS

ahhh, gotcha.. thats a very good question..

so ur up 80 lbs from when u first startin runnin gear? impressive bro...

I started weight lifting at around 135 lol.. im 220 right now so yeah, right around 80 pounds.

 

[69thelememt]

so then why do people say dont take a cycle too early and get to your natural potential first if steroids will always help you get bigger just the same??

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

so then why do people say dont take a cycle too early and get to your natural potential first if steroids will always help you get bigger just the same??

Because if you can't do it naturally, you can't do it on cycle either. Gear is a tool to what is already in place being 80% diet, rest sleep and training. Gear cant replace one of those. It's about the work ethic and responsibility of gear, not the principle of "receptors."

 

[SmilingBob]

All these young kids keep trying to come up with reasons why its okay for them to run gear. They see 10,000 post about why not to and then dwell on the one post that hints at the possibility everything will be okay. Their body might be ready but the reality is their mindset is not. They do not have the maturity in training nor life experiences to cycle properly. This is of course a generality as a few kids may have everything in place to go through with it effectively. But please do not read this and say "Hey, I am one of those extremely special cases" because chances are you're not.

Why risk a lifelong issue (or realistically many issues) for 3 months of glory? Not worth it and it never will be.

 

[TheFitnessLife4ever]

We're just saying how it is. 1) Receptor bullshit is a lie. 2) If you come here to ask a question and try to validate it by ignoring the vets advice and looking for one other noob to agree, why post. 3) If you don't have a solid natural foundation then you will risk many injuries as well as achieving something you easily could've done for less money and safer. Before you run gear you must understand how your body responds to training, certain foods and nutrients, and sleep. Most late teens or early 20 year olds are not in tune with their body. All they think about is chugging that last keg and banging that random blonde bitch who's name you don't even know.

 

[Mr.Port]

Can't really find and decent answer on this one and I can see reasons why and why not on both sides.

do steroids loss the effectiveness as our bodies receptors become used to their presence? or is it simply the case that cycle by cycle if you are getting bigger, it simply becomes harder to grow as you come close to or push your bodies natural boundry??

People say that your first cycle is always going to be your biggest and best and also the need to start on low doses and work your way up which probably argues for the lose effectivness side of the arguement.

Though people on the other side argue how pro's stay on all year round within a similar dose range and don't stop growing, and that the receptors regrow and renew every few months anyway regardsless of any downgrading even if that occurs.

Reason I'm asking this question is because I'm currently at 20% BF and looking to trim a bit off before my next bulk cycle, which I'm now ready for time off wise. I was thinking if the amount of cycles you've got under you belt has no baring on the next cycles effectiveness if your at the same starting point in terms of natural limits, I could just do at cutting cycle then onto a bulk, or a super clean cycle with test P, anavar and maybe a little tren instead of waiting around an extra amount of time when I could be on cycle

simple max potential and SHBG