Do you think this high protein intake is needed?

[Johny J]

Loads and loads of protein seems to be the rage these days. Now granted a weightlifter or body builder is going to need more protein than the average joe. But do you think 400g a day is neccessary? I am beginning to question this mentality. How much protein can you possibly absorb and use? I am pretty sure they didnt make protein shakes back in Arnold's time, they had to eat food. And eating 3-400g of protein from meat alone would make most people sick. I know i cant do it.

Now i am not arguing for lower protein intake, i just want opinions. I personally try to keep it around 350g, because i dont want to be the guniea pig who doesnt grow cause i wanted to see if 150g is ok. What do you think fellas?
And dont just repeat an opinion you have read over and over. that doesnt accomplish anything.

 

[DADAWG]

im not a bodybuilder but i dont worry to much about protein as long as i get at least 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight and for the record i do think protein shakes have their place but protein from real food is more important

 

[bigdelt69]

I try to get about 350 grams per day by food alone. I can tell that since I started doing this my gains are coming more rapidly. Before I was taking in about 225 or so.

 

[stonecold54]

I find that it usually doesn't matter what I eat as far as percentages. I make my best gains when I eat real meals and I consistently do it. I just have to focus on the food preparation part of my diet. but yeah I don't think the amount of protein is as important as a healthy diet.

 

[bigandreasg]

it's my opinion that 1.25 to 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is plenty during bulking. I have found that large amount of carbs and quality fats put on lot's of size and strength. Besides, you are supposed to up your protein and lower your carbs when dieting. If you're already taking in 400 grams of protein, you would have to bump it to 5 or 6 hundred for a diet. Doesn't make any sense to go that high. Protein is not over rated but over eating is over rated. Guys seem to be stuffing themselves lately just to put on any kind of wieght they can. No good.

 

[needsize]

I tend to stick around 300 grams per day, this time I want to try over 400 and see what happens

 

[Johny J]

great info guys. keep it coming.
So you feel that protein from a steak is superior to protein shakes?

 

[DADAWG]

great info guys. keep it coming.
So you feel that protein from a steak is superior to protein shakes?

except after your workout , then shakes are better because they will flood your body with nutrients a lot faster than food

 

[jocktheglide]

yeah, but the question is can your body process all that protein? you can take all you want into the body, but my guess is the body can handle X amount per day, per hour, etc...I guess is better to be in surplus of protein than be under par in the body to ensure growth.

 

[Johny J]

i think the intake potential is 50g per 2 hours or so. i read that somewhere i believe.

 

[jocktheglide]

even with AS in the body?

 

[Johny J]

even with AS in the body?

the number i gave was the amount that can be digested in a given time, not the amount that will be used to form muscle. AS doesnt affect your nutrient absorbtion from digestion (that i know of). It just puts what you digested to better and more effiicient use.

 

[jocktheglide]

good point there!

 

[DADAWG]

yeah, but the question is can your body process all that protein? you can take all you want into the body, but my guess is the body can handle X amount per day, per hour, etc...I guess is better to be in surplus of protein than be under par in the body to ensure growth.

the human body is amazing , if protein intake is increased gradually the body will adapt and process massive amounts of protein , on the other hand if you jump from 50 grams a day to 300 grams a day suddenly expect a severe case of the shits , also ginger root and papaya enzyme will aid in protein digestion

 

[Jawbone]

Last time I checked, the RDA recs are 1 grm per kilo of LBM for the average adult person.
Extra cals from protein can be stored as fat.

 

[Trevdog]

Last time I checked, the RDA recs are 1 grm per kilo of LBM for the average adult person.
Extra cals from protein can be stored as fat.

Can be, but it is relatively difficult for the body to convert protein to fat storage. I believe that the RDA recs are actually quite a bit lower than that but let me say this.

The RDA recs have absolutely no relevance to bodybuilding. Stick with the RDA and I guarantee you will never come close to your potential.

I don't know where all these claims about how much protein the body can assimilate come from. I've never seen anybody back them up with any study or proof. Its all pure speculation as to the amount and even the question of whether or not there really is any set "limit".

Personally I do often go to 2+ grams per lb. of bodyweight. It works for me.

 

[stonecold54]

the human body is amazing , if protein intake is increased gradually the body will adapt and process massive amounts of protein , on the other hand if you jump from 50 grams a day to 300 grams a day suddenly expect a severe case of the shits , also ginger root and papaya enzyme will aid in protein digestion

actually the human body works in the opposite way. the body doesn't like too much or too little of anything. your genetics have a standard deviation that they like to work within. that is why when you drink a lot of water you just piss it out. we found that out when you take a lot of creatine then you just excrete the extra without using it. protein works in the same way. when your body senses an uptake of extra protein it will either synthesize it too fat or excrete it. there is research out there (and I don't have the articles on me right now) that protein intake should be cycled for best absorbption. example.150-175 for a week or two and then jack it up to 300-400 for 3-4 weeks and then back down.

 

[bluewizz]

Loads and loads of protein seems to be the rage these days. Now granted a weightlifter or body builder is going to need more protein than the average joe. But do you think 400g a day is neccessary? I am beginning to question this mentality. How much protein can you possibly absorb and use? I am pretty sure they didnt make protein shakes back in Arnold's time, they had to eat food. And eating 3-400g of protein from meat alone would make most people sick. I know i cant do it.

Now i am not arguing for lower protein intake, i just want opinions. I personally try to keep it around 350g, because i dont want to be the guniea pig who doesnt grow cause i wanted to see if 150g is ok. What do you think fellas?
And dont just repeat an opinion you have read over and over. that doesnt accomplish anything.

ive experimented ith high and low protein intakes and always found that i make better progress with more sane amounts of proteins. i take in 1g/pound of lean mass when cutting or when off cycle and take 1g/pound of total mass when bulking on cycles. more than that i found to be detrimental. i bloat like a mofo....i feel slugish. i gain undesirable fat, and i get less pumps during workouts. so no i dont believe high protein intake is the way to go for the average bodybuilder. so not speaking about those who carry an enormous amount of lean mass and who use hgh, thyroid hormones and high doses of steroids.

 

[Ifrit]

I beleive in 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

 

[stonecold54]

I beleive in 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight.

beliefs are for religion, tell us why you like 1.5 and not 1.4 or 1.6

sorry if I am being picky but it seems like a lot of nutritional advice is just conjecture.