Dorian Yates Blood and Guts Routine

[IronReps]

how bout size gains?

Considering the fact that my diet was almost non existent and varied in range from 2,000 calories to 4500 calories daily, I can't make an honest assessment on size gains. My strength definitely went up though. Now that my diet is in check, I'm positive that both my size and weight will increase. Give it a try, I think you'll be surprised.

 

[dfresh88]

Considering the fact that my diet was almost non existent and varied in range from 2,000 calories to 4500 calories daily, I can't make an honest assessment on size gains. My strength definitely went up though. Now that my diet is in check, I'm positive that both my size and weight will increase. Give it a try, I think you'll be surprised.

yea gonna start training HIT style for a while, been doing volume for a long time. gonna give blood and guts a try next week

 

[IronReps]

yea gonna start training HIT style for a while, been doing volume for a long time. gonna give blood and guts a try next week

Sweet. Good luck with it.

 

[dfresh88]

Sweet. Good luck with it.

thanks bro!

 

[dfresh88]

now do you guys go to failure on squats/deads as well? looks like he uses hack squats instead of squats, and basically does rack pulls instead of deads. shows them lowering the weight to the shin then back up.... according to the vid on bb.com

 

[dfresh88]

bump

 

[jph31gp]

do it for 6-8 weeks and see how it goes, just make sure to write down what you do, weight and reps. It never ceases to amaze me that i see all these guys meaninglessly training and making no progress. record what you lift, keep improving, if you plateau add rest days!!!! soooo easy!!!!

 

[dfresh88]

do it for 6-8 weeks and see how it goes, just make sure to write down what you do, weight and reps. It never ceases to amaze me that i see all these guys meaninglessly training and making no progress. record what you lift, keep improving, if you plateau add rest days!!!! soooo easy!!!!

i was asking about squats/deads and if people take them to complete failure too

 

[IronReps]

i was asking about squats/deads and if people take them to complete failure too

Yeah I take them both to failure. If I don't have a spotter for the squats, I'll just do leg presses because when I do the squats I get close to passing out and if I do I want a spotter there.

 

[binary]

i was asking about squats/deads and if people take them to complete failure too

he stops when he reaches failure, and doesnt push beyond that like he does with other exercises. He says its not safe to do that with deads.

 

[IronReps]

If your form is going to be shit to get another rep, don't go for it imo. That one extra rep isn't worth being out of the gym for months.

 

[dfresh88]

If your form is going to be shit to get another rep, don't go for it imo. That one extra rep isn't worth being out of the gym for months.

no doubt thanks man

 

[D-Cal]

Yeah I take them both to failure. If I don't have a spotter for the squats, I'll just do leg presses because when I do the squats I get close to passing out and if I do I want a spotter there.

x2

 

[Jacked27]

Considering the fact that my diet was almost non existent and varied in range from 2,000 calories to 4500 calories daily, I can't make an honest assessment on size gains. My strength definitely went up though. Now that my diet is in check, I'm positive that both my size and weight will increase. Give it a try, I think you'll be surprised.

Huge assumption. The mentzer rotuine will in fact increase strength....up to a point. Too bad about it not increasing size nearly as well.

I guess the 3 sets of 10, and the 45-60 reps per bodypart, 2x per week evidence from the scientific community is right.

Assuming your diet is what kept you from gaining size is a HUGE assumption. Any moderate volume training will increase size with strength. It's the drastic, over the top HIT dudes that get stronger and say "just wait until the size gains come!" They won't. The body won't increase the size of the muscles with that little volume.

It is precisely why Dorian Yates took little to no info from mentzers abbreviated routines. Also why Yates trained ech bodypart once every 6 days. I saw you say it takes 2 weeks to recover a muscle group? Post the studies. It doesn't take anywhere NEAR that. Not even half that for most people. 5-6 days is a sweet spot for a reason.

I'd be happy to talk HIT training with anyone, I've only been doing it for 1.5 decades. EVERY iteration imaginable, with myself and others. I grow best in size/strength on 3 sets of 8-10, total volume of about 60-90 reps per body part, and best strength on 2 work sets of 5-8 reps....MAX-OT + a few reps. Hitting each body part every 5-7 days on both. REALLY like a push/pull/legs split training every other day indefinitely. (each bp every 6 days)

 

[IronReps]

Huge assumption. The mentzer rotuine will in fact increase strength....up to a point. Too bad about it not increasing size nearly as well.

I guess the 3 sets of 10, and the 45-60 reps per bodypart, 2x per week evidence from the scientific community is right.

Assuming your diet is what kept you from gaining size is a HUGE assumption. Any moderate volume training will increase size with strength. It's the drastic, over the top HIT dudes that get stronger and say "just wait until the size gains come!" They won't. The body won't increase the size of the muscles with that little volume.

It is precisely why Dorian Yates took little to no info from mentzers abbreviated routines. Also why Yates trained ech bodypart once every 6 days. I saw you say it takes 2 weeks to recover a muscle group? Post the studies. It doesn't take anywhere NEAR that. Not even half that for most people. 5-6 days is a sweet spot for a reason.

I'd be happy to talk HIT training with anyone, I've only been doing it for 1.5 decades. EVERY iteration imaginable, with myself and others. I grow best in size/strength on 3 sets of 8-10, total volume of about 60-90 reps per body part, and best strength on 2 work sets of 5-8 reps....MAX-OT + a few reps. Hitting each body part every 5-7 days on both. REALLY like a push/pull/legs split training every other day indefinitely. (each bp every 6 days)

You seem to be a big Yates fan. Who said "If you're going up in strength, you'll go up in size, and vice versa."? Wait for it......Dorian Yates.
You say 2 weeks is too long for a muscle to heal entirely, and that most people will heal 5-6 days. At the same time, you say that waiting 4 days between workouts is absurd. So you're saying that you should continue breaking down the muscle when it hasn't fully recovered? Which is it?

 

[Jacked27]

You seem to be a big Yates fan. Who said "If you're going up in strength, you'll go up in size, and vice versa."? Wait for it......Dorian Yates.
You say 2 weeks is too long for a muscle to heal entirely, and that most people will heal 5-6 days. At the same time, you say that waiting 4 days between workouts is absurd. So you're saying that you should continue breaking down the muscle when it hasn't fully recovered? Which is it?

With a split like push/pull/legs, you have no carryover in body parts. So in that example (not that you cannot train on another split), you can train every other day and hit each body part once every 6 days.

Dorian Yates states that in the sense of progressive overload. Meaning, the idiots that go to the gym and never ever use heavier weights aren't forcing their bodies to adapt. He doesn't mean you can barely inflict any damage on a muscle, wait 2 weeks and come back stonger AND bigger. Granted, I know he was Mr. O and chemically enhanced, but notice any difference between his volume and a mentzer routine? Yeah, like not even on the same wave length comparable. Go to bodybuilidng dot coms site and check out the DY trainer series. He shows you exactly what he recommends. It is nothing like a mike mentzer plan.

Again, HIT works, Mentzer does not. I am HELPING you not waste time on his routines like I did. I promise you will do better on a Yates/MAX-OT/other low volume program.

 

[IronReps]

With a split like push/pull/legs, you have no carryover in body parts. So in that example (not that you cannot train on another split), you can train every other day and hit each body part once every 6 days.

Dorian Yates states that in the sense of progressive overload. Meaning, the idiots that go to the gym and never ever use heavier weights aren't forcing their bodies to adapt. He doesn't mean you can barely inflict any damage on a muscle, wait 2 weeks and come back stonger AND bigger. Granted, I know he was Mr. O and chemically enhanced, but notice any difference between his volume and a mentzer routine? Yeah, like not even on the same wave length comparable. Go to bodybuilidng dot coms site and check out the DY trainer series. He shows you exactly what he recommends. It is nothing like a mike mentzer plan.

Again, HIT works, Mentzer does not. I am HELPING you not waste time on his routines like I did. I promise you will do better on a Yates/MAX-OT/other low volume program.

Carry over in body parts? With every post you make it's more difficult to believe you've read anything outside a coloring book. It doesn't matter if you do two COMPLETELY different body parts e.g calves and triceps. You're depleting your body's resources!
You state "He doesn't mean you can barely inflict any damage on a muscle, wait 2 weeks and come back stonger AND bigger."
Dude, this statement here sums it all up. Once again if you've read any HIT training literature by Mentzer, you'd know that the entire purpose of it is to inflict MAXIMUM muscle damage or a MINIMUM amount of time. Where in this statement did I state "barely inflict any damage"?

You've managed to spread this debate over multiple threads. There are some things that I can agree with you on. One of which being that I think B&G could be better than Mentzer's HIT. You think that I'm just pulling these facts out of my ass, but if I still had the book I would gladly source my info for you. I leave it at this. You do yours and I'll do mine. Cheers.

 

[amore169]

Yates workouts are insane, but relying on a good spotter the way he does it for the forced reps is almost impossible for the regular guy.

 

[Nesbit]

Im onto week 2 (2.5 got impatient and started early) of HIT.
I tried it about a year ago with a partner who wasn't convinced so I occasionally did extra sets and didn't do complete failure but im doing it solo this time.
I get spots where I can for difficult exercises but I usually force failure with intensity techniques (drop sets, partials, rest pause) to get that totally fucked feeling.

Split is
mon. Shoulders calves
Tue. Back
Wed. Arms forearms
Thur. Chest calves
Fri. Legs

Not Dorians routine to the dollar but feels good. Shaking and exhausted post workout.
My arms really need work but even after just 2 weeks I feel the need for another rest day so may try his split.

 

[anadrol350]

crazy workout routine.