EPI for NOOB Cycle

[Gamebred]

After considerable reading/studying prior posts- I'm attempting to put together my first cycle. I'd like to bounce it off you all for some honest feedback.

Quick Stats: I'm a caucasian male @ 42yrs, 5'8" in height and weigh 180lbs. I've been lifting and doing cardio steadily for approx two years. I've seen a gain of 10-15 lbs lbm and lost 10lbs of fat during this time. My BF is probably 15% max. My diet is very clean.

I did the LG Sciences Trifecta Stack several months ago and has some slight increase in aggression in the gym and thats about all. I've never cycled any PH or AAS before. I currently take creatine, glutamine, protein shakes, fish oil, coq10, and multi vitamins as my daily supps.

Here's what I'm thinking about running:
Iron Labs Epi Xtreme 30/30/30/30 mg
Wk 1-4 N2Guard 7 caps ED
Wk 1-4 Liver longer 2 Tab ED
WK 1-8 Phytoserm347, 1 Cap ED x 60
WK- 1-8 Forma Stanzol 5 pumps twice daily
WK 5-8 Liquid Tamox 20/20/10/10

After my NOOB research, I'm thinking I have all the bases covered here(?) Also, I don't want to throw money away so please let me know if anything looks completely unneccessary or redundant.

My goal is to eventually bring the BF down to 10% and bring my total weight up to 195-200 max.

A major concern of mine is that my blood pressure normally runs a little high (120s-130s over 70-80) and I have high chloresterol (been on meds for this for several years- which keeps it in the normal range). Diet and exercise have lowered it some but genetics keep me on the meds.

If I can safely cycle with the products I listed above I would definately like to give it a go. I enjoyed the increase in aggression I got off the Trifecta Stack, however slight. But with the slightly elevated BP and cholesterol meds, I don't want to push my luck and would be resigned to keep things natural and safe.

I appreciate your thoughts/recommendations..


-Game

 

[mich29]

you look like you have covered everything nicely.I would say the cycle looks great .

if your diet is spot on this is very doable.I'd maybe bump up your post cycle therapy (pct) novla to 40 20 20 10 but thats just imo I like to dose my post cycle therapy (pct) high.also you might want to have an extra Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand such as femara in case of gyno flare up.

however with your health issues I'm not sure if I'd suggest running the cycle or if you do make sure you are checking your blood pressure daily or a few times a day.I'm always one that will think about the risk and reward before doing anything.

I'd wait for otheres to chime in with their thoughts on this.but it def looks like you have done your homework and have made great progress.

 

[vtac]

I personally love epi (havoc was my choice). If you dont see the gains on this cycle I would recomend extending the epi to 6 weeks or more. Some may think this is a bit long but just take the prober liver protections and stay away from other drugs that effect liver ( alcohol). Good luck and lift hard!

Also go down to walmart and get an auto bp machine so you can do daily checks on your pressure. I might also get blood work done before, during, and after for cholesterol. Test levels effect cholesterol.

 

[Gamebred]

mich29, vtac- thanks for the responses.

Alcohol's not a factor at all.

I've got one of those Auto-BP machines at home so I'd definately be scrutinizing the BP much more closely while on-cycle. I check it everday as it is, as part of my workout/fitness log.

I'm worried about having the lipids checked while on cycle as I'm Active Duty Military and don't want to set off any red flags. Elevated LDL/HDL levels plus changes in body comp may trigger a urinalysis which is definately not something I want.

With cholesterol meds and proper diet/excercise my levels are in the normal range. I'm not sure how EPI would affect those numbers. I'm not familiar with how many points HDL/LDL typically changes while on-cycle.

I'm wondering if the combo on cycle support (N2Guard) would be sufficient in my case or perhaps I should go for specific standalone BP and Cholesterol lowering remedies while on cycle.

I hope I'm not being overly paranoid about this- I really am healthy for my age. The average American in my age group is overweight and out of shape. Thanks in part to the military for keeping me doing pushups/pullups and running for the past 20+ years. The DRs tell me that the majority of Americans have high cholesterol and or BP and don't even know it. I've been working really hard (diet/exercise) to hopefully get off the meds (simvastatin)altogether.

I think in my case I'll just need to be especially vigilant with the cholesterol intake to avoid unnecessary spikes while on cycle.


Anyone who has similar concerns regarding BP/Cholesterol while cycling please chime in.

And the stupid question of the day: is this the appropriate cycle for me (EPI) or would you've considered my previous LG Trifecta Stack a hormonal cycle- and thus my first? Would you be looking at a more intermediate cycle in my case..

Thanks again

-Game


(ps- I posted the original thread at AAF in case you see it there. Not sure if that offends anyone, but I'm just trying to maximize results)

 

[jmanhill]

Looks great. Epi will do you good. On another note consider the fact that some run it at 60 a day. I ran it @ 30 the 1st week then bumped it to 45 week 2 and 60 weeks 3-4. The gains were good. However im no doctor. Maybe you other guys have inputs on the dosage?

 

[mich29]

mich29, vtac- thanks for the responses.

Alcohol's not a factor at all.

I've got one of those Auto-BP machines at home so I'd definately be scrutinizing the BP much more closely while on-cycle. I check it everday as it is, as part of my workout/fitness log.

I'm worried about having the lipids checked while on cycle as I'm Active Duty Military and don't want to set off any red flags. Elevated LDL/HDL levels plus changes in body comp may trigger a urinalysis which is definately not something I want.With cholesterol meds and proper diet/excercise my levels are in the normal range. I'm not sure how EPI would affect those numbers. I'm not familiar with how many points HDL/LDL typically changes while on-cycle.

I'm wondering if the combo on cycle support (N2Guard) would be sufficient in my case or perhaps I should go for specific standalone BP and Cholesterol lowering remedies while on cycle.

I hope I'm not being overly paranoid about this- I really am healthy for my age. The average American in my age group is overweight and out of shape. Thanks in part to the military for keeping me doing pushups/pullups and running for the past 20+ years. The DRs tell me that the majority of Americans have high cholesterol and or BP and don't even know it. I've been working really hard (diet/exercise) to hopefully get off the meds (simvastatin)altogether.

I think in my case I'll just need to be especially vigilant with the cholesterol intake to avoid unnecessary spikes while on cycle.


Anyone who has similar concerns regarding BP/Cholesterol while cycling please chime in.

And the stupid question of the day: is this the appropriate cycle for me (EPI) or would you've considered my previous LG Trifecta Stack a hormonal cycle- and thus my first? Would you be looking at a more intermediate cycle in my case..

Thanks again

-Game


(ps- I posted the original thread at AAF in case you see it there. Not sure if that offends anyone, but I'm just trying to maximize results)

I'd be worried about the part I bolded above that could end very badly.

I also saw you said you took meds for your bp issues and etc so that combined with n2guard I would think you'd be ok but you could add more supports but with you being on meds already idk if I'd add in alot of other stuff that might mess with you.

I really wouldn't consider the lg stack anything major I mean its solid stuff but its not the same stuff it was years ago.(formula change)

for a first cycle it looks good though maybe helladrol might also be something to look into as well as its a nice starter ph/ds.

 

[vtac]

Im not familiar with military, But Epi is not illegal in the US.

I'm Active Duty Military and don't want to set off any red flags

 

[Gamebred]

Thanks for all the feedback...

-Game

 

[SamBoz19]

After considerable reading/studying prior posts- I'm attempting to put together my first cycle. I'd like to bounce it off you all for some honest feedback.

Quick Stats: I'm a caucasian male @ 42yrs, 5'8" in height and weigh 180lbs. I've been lifting and doing cardio steadily for approx two years. I've seen a gain of 10-15 lbs lbm and lost 10lbs of fat during this time. My BF is probably 15% max. My diet is very clean.

I did the LG Sciences Trifecta Stack several months ago and has some slight increase in aggression in the gym and thats about all. I've never cycled any PH or AAS before. I currently take creatine, glutamine, protein shakes, fish oil, coq10, and multi vitamins as my daily supps.

Here's what I'm thinking about running:
Iron Labs Epi Xtreme 30/30/30/30 mg
Wk 1-4 N2Guard 7 caps ED
Wk 1-4 Liver longer 2 Tab ED
WK 1-8 Phytoserm347, 1 Cap ED x 60
WK- 1-8 Forma Stanzol 5 pumps twice daily
WK 5-8 Liquid Tamox 20/20/10/10

After my NOOB research, I'm thinking I have all the bases covered here(?) Also, I don't want to throw money away so please let me know if anything looks completely unneccessary or redundant.

My goal is to eventually bring the BF down to 10% and bring my total weight up to 195-200 max.

A major concern of mine is that my blood pressure normally runs a little high (120s-130s over 70-80) and I have high chloresterol (been on meds for this for several years- which keeps it in the normal range). Diet and exercise have lowered it some but genetics keep me on the meds.

If I can safely cycle with the products I listed above I would definately like to give it a go. I enjoyed the increase in aggression I got off the Trifecta Stack, however slight. But with the slightly elevated BP and cholesterol meds, I don't want to push my luck and would be resigned to keep things natural and safe.

I appreciate your thoughts/recommendations..


-Game

The fact that you have issues with cholesterol and blood pressure worry me. Every individual reacts differently to each individual PH compound. So in saying that you may respond well to EPI, but on the other hand you may not and may perhaps aggravate your issues with cholesterol and blood pressure.

To be honest with you, I would probably choose something a bit more moderate...something along the lines of AndroHard, Dermacrine, etc. I am not recommending those because I rep for PP, but rather because they are PH's which are made for beginners because they are low risk.

I think you have a good plan of attack for your cycle, but I just believe in starting small and building yourself up. You need to see how you respond to PH's before getting into the compounds that could really do some damage to you...know what I mean?

Cheers!

-Sean-

Primordial Performance

 

[The Phantom]

I think I responded to your thread on AAF

 

[djm6464]

epi will be tough on your hdl

also

i dont see the point in the phytoserms along side epi, why use a test booster when epi has all but shut it down by wk3, and will over power it seeing epi is a steroid

also the forma i wouldnt run along the epi either seeing epi has Aromatase inhibitor (AI) qualities, thus the combination will crush your e2 levels, end result would be loss of libido, aching joints, even worse hdl profile

id use the forma and phyto in your post cycle therapy (pct), and it should be fine for low dose epi, but no need on cycle

most all phs, being orals, will effect the lipids negatively, even androhard being a dht like compound

dermacrine is beyond mild imo, it excels as an adjuvant compound, i wouldnt waste 6wks of it solo

tbol lv/hdrol is probably the ideal beginner ph, its only downfall is heptoxicity, which can be dealt with though

 

[BigKevKris]

mich29, vtac- thanks for the responses.

Alcohol's not a factor at all.

I've got one of those Auto-BP machines at home so I'd definately be scrutinizing the BP much more closely while on-cycle. I check it everday as it is, as part of my workout/fitness log.

I'm worried about having the lipids checked while on cycle as I'm Active Duty Military and don't want to set off any red flags. Elevated LDL/HDL levels plus changes in body comp may trigger a urinalysis which is definately not something I want.

With cholesterol meds and proper diet/excercise my levels are in the normal range. I'm not sure how EPI would affect those numbers. I'm not familiar with how many points HDL/LDL typically changes while on-cycle.

I'm wondering if the combo on cycle support (N2Guard) would be sufficient in my case or perhaps I should go for specific standalone BP and Cholesterol lowering remedies while on cycle.

I hope I'm not being overly paranoid about this- I really am healthy for my age. The average American in my age group is overweight and out of shape. Thanks in part to the military for keeping me doing pushups/pullups and running for the past 20+ years. The DRs tell me that the majority of Americans have high cholesterol and or BP and don't even know it. I've been working really hard (diet/exercise) to hopefully get off the meds (simvastatin)altogether.

I think in my case I'll just need to be especially vigilant with the cholesterol intake to avoid unnecessary spikes while on cycle.


Anyone who has similar concerns regarding BP/Cholesterol while cycling please chime in.

And the stupid question of the day: is this the appropriate cycle for me (EPI) or would you've considered my previous LG Trifecta Stack a hormonal cycle- and thus my first? Would you be looking at a more intermediate cycle in my case..

Thanks again

-Game


(ps- I posted the original thread at AAF in case you see it there. Not sure if that offends anyone, but I'm just trying to maximize results)

I was a Military UPC. Urinalysis Program Coordinator. A change in lipids and what not is not going to flag you. Paraphernalia is the only major cause of s Command directed Steroid test. The normal piss tests DO NOT test for anabolics. It is a much more expensive test that can only be given under written consent from yourself or by probable cause that must be authorized through base legal. Either way the military RARELY takes those measures without MAJOR probable cause. Get caught with paraphernalia and you will get fried. Stay discreet and you'll be fine.

 

[nerdalert]

I agree that with your health issues running a cycle of epi may not be the right thing to do. If you have genetically low hdl levels any Ph could be a big problem. The N2Guard will help and is great if you decide to anyway. Above all else stay safe and thank you for your service.

 

[Needtogetaas]

After considerable reading/studying prior posts- I'm attempting to put together my first cycle. I'd like to bounce it off you all for some honest feedback.

Quick Stats: I'm a caucasian male @ 42yrs, 5'8" in height and weigh 180lbs. I've been lifting and doing cardio steadily for approx two years. I've seen a gain of 10-15 lbs lbm and lost 10lbs of fat during this time. My BF is probably 15% max. My diet is very clean.

I did the LG Sciences Trifecta Stack several months ago and has some slight increase in aggression in the gym and thats about all. I've never cycled any PH or AAS before. I currently take creatine, glutamine, protein shakes, fish oil, coq10, and multi vitamins as my daily supps.

Here's what I'm thinking about running:
Iron Labs Epi Xtreme 30/30/30/30 mg
Wk 1-4 N2Guard 7 caps ED
Wk 1-4 Liver longer 2 Tab ED

Since you are taking the N2guard you do not need any more liver products. THis is a waste of money and there is such a thing as to much liver support bro. The N2guard has a full dose of forged liver support already in the product Plus other ingredients on top of that that help with liver support. On top of that you also do not need to pay more for another multi vitamins because yet again the N2guard has you covered my friend. It already has a full RDA of all the vits you need. Its the all in one on cycle support product and covers everything. You dont need the coq10 ether because once more the N2guard also has that in it too. SOOOOOO Boom I just saved you cash not having to buy 3 other products. Its all in the N2guard bro.
WK 1-8 Phytoserm347, 1 Cap ED x 60
WK- 1-8 Forma Stanzol 5 pumps twice daily
WK 5-8 Liquid Tamox 20/20/10/10

After my NOOB research, I'm thinking I have all the bases covered here(?) Also, I don't want to throw money away so please let me know if anything looks completely unneccessary or redundant.

My goal is to eventually bring the BF down to 10% and bring my total weight up to 195-200 max.

A major concern of mine is that my blood pressure normally runs a little high (120s-130s over 70-80) and I have high chloresterol (been on meds for this for several years- which keeps it in the normal range). Diet and exercise have lowered it some but genetics keep me on the meds.

If I can safely cycle with the products I listed above I would definately like to give it a go. I enjoyed the increase in aggression I got off the Trifecta Stack, however slight. But with the slightly elevated BP and cholesterol meds, I don't want to push my luck and would be resigned to keep things natural and safe.

I appreciate your thoughts/recommendations..


-Game

My friend I put some comments in read up above. I just saved you a bunch of money. Now you do not have to waste all that extra cash on a multi vitamins, liver protector, or coq10 because the N2guard has all of that in it already good friend. That is what is so great about the N2guard product. Its Designed with the steroid user in mind and covers every health related protection a steroid user needs. It even has androgen receptor up regulators that will help you get more out of any cycle.

Now rather then waste money on Mulits , more liver support and coq10 I would add something to help out a bit more with the cholesterol and blood pressure good friend. N2guard covers this but for you I feel a little more would not be a bad Idea.

My advice is one of two things.

Krill oil is 100 times more powerful then Fish oil or any other cheesey oils companies will try and pawn off on you for cholesterol health. So get some good Krill oil.

Sports nutrition :: Krill-TS - Ruthless Supplements

However I will admit this one time that the pharmaceutical companies got something right. There is a drug is called Lovaza. Not really a drug but super concentration ethyl ester fish oil. There is a few rx type places that have it online so you can get it that way or ask your Doctor for it. Other then that go with Krill oil..

Also pm me any time for advice my friend. I am the designer/creator of all the products you are planing to take. Ext elite mod of the largest steroid forum in the world, Mod of many others, Have my own forum, 2 published books, 1 cook book, and I been around for a pretty long time . Only recently last year I joined this site and started getting active here.

Great site though and the admin here is a real cool cat along with all the mods too. The industry is really one big melting point once you start getting around you start to notice that.

Hope this is the best cycle of your life man. Check out the before and afters of one dude I trained who did the exact same cycle you are planing and the same support/pct sups too.

before

After.

He has a account over on my needtobuildmuscle.net site and if you want to talk to him for real experience advice shoot me a pm and I will get you in contact with him. I wont post his forum name all over the place though. Great guy though.


Good luck my friend I think you will love it my man. As for the upping the nolva advice I would advice against it. Forma-stanzol already has plenty of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and serm action in the product and you will not need the nolva as it let alone upping it. But its fine to run it 20/20/10/10 like you got planed.

TTYL friend

 

[Needtogetaas]

I agree that with your health issues running a cycle of episode may not be the right thing to do. If you have genetically low hdl levels any Ph could be a big problem. Above all else stay safe and thank you for your service.

Ya safety is deff the name of the game that is for sure. Not going to help ya getting in better shape if the end result leaves you in a coffin.

Stay safe and if you do run it make damn well sure you take plenty of cholesterol supporting sups like the Krill oil and shit like this. Monitor your self or even better have your doc test ya as much as you can.

 

[Needtogetaas]

I was a Military UPC. Urinalysis Program Coordinator. A change in lipids and what not is not going to flag you. Paraphernalia is the only major cause of s Command directed Steroid test. The normal piss tests DO NOT test for anabolics. It is a much more expensive test that can only be given under written consent from yourself or by probable cause that must be authorized through base legal. Either way the military RARELY takes those measures without MAJOR probable cause. Get caught with paraphernalia and you will get fried. Stay discreet and you'll be fine.

Nice my man. I was Airborn Army my self and I am also a Masshole bwahahahahaaa Small world. Team Kill that shit!!!!!

 

[BigKevKris]

Kts!

 

[drheadphone]

thanks all of you

 

[mich29]

great discussion in this thread.I'm such a nerd but I like reading through stuff like this.

 

[Gamebred]

SamBoz19 (Sean) – thank you & points well taken. I’m getting my lipids/liver tested this week and am hoping levels are down enough to go off the Simvastatin I’m on. My cardio and diet has been spot on for the past six months and I’m expecting the blood test to show that. I can’t remember when I last had red meat. (getting older blows)

The Phantom- you did and thank you..!

djm6464- exactly the type of cycle critique I was looking for- thank you…

BigKevKris- rgr, understand on all. My military DR and I have a very close relationship, not to the point that I trust her with knowledge of PH use, but in that she knows me and my health very well. My concern is that she could definitely put 2 + 2 together in that a massive change in cholesterol levels plus drastic changes in physique = probably using banned (NCAA/FDA) substances. Since my lipids are tested every three to four months- it’s a genuine concern of mine. Obviously a huge factor in anything I ingest as I do not want to jeopardize my retirement. Ensuring my lipid profile stays within my “normal” range is my goal. I guess I could always just tell her that I had several Big Macs the night before and didn’t fast that morning. Ps- thank you.

Nerdalert- thank you.

Needtogetaas- Thanks so much- I did notice the multi and co-q-10 in the Need2guard- I was planning to drop those during the cycle. Apologize for not being clear on that- and thanks for pointing it out. Also- appreciate the Liver Longer, Lovaza , Nolva, Forma and Krill oil tips. Couldn’t agree with you more on your opinion of the board and mods. Thanks very much for the kind words, encouragement and support. Some other supps that I’m researching right now to add to my potential cycle would be Niacin (cholesterol), Hawthorne Berry (for BP, I know it’s in Need2Guard, but think a higher dose for me may be prudent), Red Yeast Rice (although I already take a script Statin), and Albuterol (cholesterol).

drheadphone- you’re welcome(?)

Mich29- thank you…

THANKS to everyone for chiming in- trust me , you’ve all helped in some way or another.
As you can see I have a lot to consider and I’m not about jumping into anything haphazardly. I do hope I can get a round turn on the Cholesterol (if my next lipid profile doesn’t come back with the result I’m expecting then it’s definitely genetically high and not diet/cardio/BF/caffeine/alcohol or tobacco related ), I’d say my BP is pretty much in the normal range and can be kept easily under control.

If I do end up giving it a green light- I’ll post up a log (then bombard you all for help drafting up my s-drol cycle- lol). In either case- I hope this post will help other cholesterol challenged folks weigh the risk/benefits. Meanwhile I still have some research to do before comitting to anything..

To all the Ma55HOLES- I’m a Maniac by birth and consider you Southerners and thus Rebels. We (Mainers) all know that the real Mason-Dixon line lies firmly between Portsmouth NH and Kittery ME.