First AndroLean Log

[Loaded Gun]

So you noticed decreased appetite with the androlean?

Yeah, for some reason I felt my appetite was a bit suppressed. But lately compared to before, seems like I can eat more. Example, dinner before: salad, 6-10oz steak, sweet potato (butter only); recently dinner: chips/queso dip, 8oz steak, half slab ribs, salad, 2 rolls, sweet potato (butter only).

 

[Loaded Gun]

Loaded, I dont want to jack your thread, but just wanted to say I have 1 week left of AL. Following along with your log, I must say Ive had a simalar experience with AL. I upped the dose to 4+4 also. Ive also started an EC stack somewhere in the middle. I cant say Im totally dissapointed, but the product is not what I expected. Ive had a super clean diet, cut calories, cardio, and so far dropped about 7-8 lbs. I feel like without the AL, I probably would have seen close to the same results. I did get it for a discounted price,so I dont feel so bad, but dont think I would pay to run this again. Im curious to see how the other Andro products are reviewed.

Yes, sir, I feel the same way about having the same results without it. I am sure as much as I restricted calories, cleaned up diet, and hit the gym (probably more often than I have in the last year; I was literally going to gym or doing something at home every day) I could have had the same results.
I just know now that the PH route is not for me. I don't think I will try any more of the androseries, I will read up on the andromass tho (just curious). I'm still preparing to do my first AAS cycle this year. I would like to drop about 10 more lbs and see what I can do, that should be a good experience and I'm looking forward to every aspect even my balls shrinking and my hair falling out.

 

[djm6464]

Loaded, I dont want to jack your thread, but just wanted to say I have 1 week left of AL. Following along with your log, I must say Ive had a simalar experience with AL. I upped the dose to 4+4 also. Ive also started an EC stack somewhere in the middle. I cant say Im totally dissapointed, but the product is not what I expected. Ive had a super clean diet, cut calories, cardio, and so far dropped about 7-8 lbs. I feel like without the AL, I probably would have seen close to the same results. I did get it for a discounted price,so I dont feel so bad, but dont think I would pay to run this again. Im curious to see how the other Andro products are reviewed.

curious, 8lb loss but the lean didnt work? exactly what were the results? the quality of the fat loss, how were your workouts, ect

i ask because lean+EC has worked well for me with a caloric deficit, iv lost about 4-5lbs, but remain full and hard, and good energy/strength for my workouts

its not incredible, but for me its doing what its supposed to.

 

[BigBlackguy]

Loaded, I dont want to jack your thread, but just wanted to say I have 1 week left of AL. Following along with your log, I must say Ive had a simalar experience with AL. I upped the dose to 4+4 also. Ive also started an EC stack somewhere in the middle. I cant say Im totally dissapointed, but the product is not what I expected. Ive had a super clean diet, cut calories, cardio, and so far dropped about 7-8 lbs. I feel like without the AL, I probably would have seen close to the same results. I did get it for a discounted price,so I dont feel so bad, but dont think I would pay to run this again. Im curious to see how the other Andro products are reviewed.

j/w, any perceived or measured muscle loss or strength loss? The big driving point to androlean isn't just a rapid weight loss, but the preservation of muscle/strength.

 

[Loaded Gun]

The only time that I have noticeably lost strength was during a time where I was away from the gym for about a year or more... Its virtually impossible to lose strength if your hitting the gym even once a week.

 

[BigBlackguy]

The only time that I have noticeably lost strength was during a time where I was away from the gym for about a year or more... Its virtually impossible to lose strength if your hitting the gym even once a week.

You think? Imo it depends on how rapidly weight is lost and how lean someone is attempting to get.

If keeping strength/progressing in strength were that easy everyone would be strong as oxen!

 

[ryansm]

The only time that I have noticeably lost strength was during a time where I was away from the gym for about a year or more... Its virtually impossible to lose strength if your hitting the gym even once a week.

On a cut, don't think so, if BF was in the mid/high 20's and you have never lifted wrights before possibly

 

[djm6464]

yeah im sorry, on a cut strength and endurance drop, its why its wise to cut while 'on'.....if you dont lose strength/endurance, its not a 'real' cut imo

either way, with regards to the loggers results, it is what it is....just generally i think people should know what the purpose of a product is before using it, so as to avoid false expectations

 

[Loaded Gun]

Guys, I'm not trying to argue with you here. More specifically I should have said 'In my experience'. I guess some guys that are 150lbs and maybe 10%BF may have problems with losing strength or maintaining strength. (and that was a bit of an exaggeration, I don't mean that literally, but hopefully you get the point I'm trying to make....) Also, pretty obvious if you are literally starving yourself, you will probably lose some muscle hence you will lose some strength. The body requires fuel regardless.


For me, even when out of the gym for a while if I have lost some strength it usually would only take a couple weeks max to regain where I left off. To me, its quite easy to regain lost strength no matter what diet I'm doing at the time. The only thing that takes quite some time for me is increasing strength-that is no quick thing to do, for me anyway.

I may not be the most knowledgeable person about all this, but I do notice what happens to me when I do different things. I know what works and what doesn't, and even some shit I'm not sure of so I experiment with it. I'm not afraid to try new things and take advice from people. I know where I want to get physically, so along the way I learn stuff. It only helps to take me to the next step. I'm not going to get there in 4 weeks or 6 weeks or 10 weeks... But every little bit helps.

 

[Loaded Gun]

Thats funny bigblackguy-smallblackguy. haha. No, I have not pursued the 150% money back... After my last dose without thinking I threw away the bottle. I just figured probably not worth the hassle to go through it. I paid 47.97 for the androlean. Not a big deal... compared to what I have spent on everything I don't even want to think about... good thing I have a cash income as well.

Figure this though: to have any results from test e you have to run it 10-12 weeks (effects begin around week4); andromass cycle length 4 weeks(and they compare it to test e)---what can you really expect to gain in that time and actually keep. I am just a bit too skeptical to predict anything.

Best thing I can say for you is to examine users stats. Look closer at someones log that has similar stats to yourself, see what results they get (maintain similar diet, workout etc..), and make your decision from that. I really think body stats beforehand have a major role in what results one can expect. And that is not documented anywhere on the PP site. It just says to expect whatever results they claim for each product.

If the juice don't work for me... nothing will.

Good luck either way.

 

[JMA75]

curious, 8lb loss but the lean didnt work? exactly what were the results? the quality of the fat loss, how were your workouts, ect

i ask because lean+EC has worked well for me with a caloric deficit, iv lost about 4-5lbs, but remain full and hard, and good energy/strength for my workouts

its not incredible, but for me its doing what its supposed to.

Well Imo opinion the loss was mostly from my caloric defecit and EC. I did not feel a thermo effect or any type of increased energy from the AL. I did get noticaby more vascular, but that could have been from the loss of fat also. Im not saying thay AL did not help at all, just saying for the price,and hype it was given, it was just simply did not live up to my expectations.

 

[ryansm]

Well Imo opinion the loss was mostly from my caloric defecit and EC. I did not feel a thermo effect or any type of increased energy from the AL. I did get noticaby more vascular, but that could have been from the loss of fat also. Im not saying thay AL did not help at all, just saying for the price,and hype it was given, it was just simply did not live up to my expectations.

Feeling a thermo effect doesn't equate to efficacy. Did you lose strength? Did you retain LBM??

 

[ryansm]

I really am interested in seeing logs from people (not reps) and maybe some vets on this board. The problem with that is most of the vets here will be using the real thing and won't want to waste their time with a PH. As I'm typing this the banner for PP is right above me saying how they've made "steroids safer and smarter". So are the andro series steroids or PH's? For steroids I would expect much better results.

Non of the reps have run any AS product, there are a ton of logs on AL and AH and this is the only one to not show effects.

 

[Loaded Gun]

Well, may not matter whether or not you feel the "thermo effect", but my results were below the claims. JMA states he is having similar experience as I did with the AndroLean. So far that's 2 people. I don't know how many people are actually running the AndroLean, but I would venture to say that it is more than is logging on the PP site. Statistically speaking, 2 people would represent a percentage of total people that use the AndroLean in terms of the effects (or lack of effects) of its use for the 4 week period. I can not say that I experienced any effects that would be definitive to attribute to the AndroLean.

I know its your job to support your products as reps, but some people are just recommending that you try them in order to give a more comprehensive understanding of them. All anyone has to go by before trying them is the paper claims and some logs on the PP site, which may or may not be biased or inflated. I'm not calling anyone a liar here, just stating that I have reported my experience in truth from the start. If someone chooses not to believe me, that's ok... Just as someone may choose not to believe the claims of the products. And sometimes it just takes people trying it themselves to believe anything either way. With something new like these products, its hard to really guarantee anything to any person in general.

*The entire post above is my opinion based on my independent personal experience with the aforementioned product. I do not represent or have any affiliation with any supplement company or otherwise.

 

[Loaded Gun]

What's so hard about choosing whether or not to use a PH (any PH not just the andro series) is that it is essentially just a supplement. There are no regulations to be concerned with. Basically they can put anything in a bottle and call it whatever they want as long as the put the proper disclaimer Essentially supplement companies are the same as UGL's (underground labs) in the steroid market. You spend your money and take your chances. I just thought the money back option for the andro series was a nice way to stand behind their product. It will be interesting to see if they actually do it. That is if the just released products produce the same non-results the OP experienced with andro lean. Hopefully the new stuff just blows everyone away and it's a non-issue. Win-Win.

What new stuff?

Also, its not going to be a non-issue, the issue is that Androlean did not produce the expected results for me from the claims on the PP site. End of story.

Ha ha... "Win-Win" is a very common quote of people in sales.

 

[Loaded Gun]

I'm going to go ahead and say that the science claimed of the AndroLean on the PP site is false also. It shows overall testosterone to peak at about 1400 ng/dL and 600 ng/dL on the low end. I had a blood test done during the cycle and my testosterone was 294 ng/dL. So, I have personal experience and science to back up what I stated in my log.

 

[Loaded Gun]

What's so hard about choosing whether or not to use a PH (any PH not just the andro series) is that it is essentially just a supplement. There are no regulations to be concerned with. Basically they can put anything in a bottle and call it whatever they want as long as the put the proper disclaimer Essentially supplement companies are the same as UGL's (underground labs) in the steroid market. You spend your money and take your chances. I just thought the money back option for the andro series was a nice way to stand behind their product. It will be interesting to see if they actually do it. That is if the just released products produce the same non-results the OP experienced with andro lean. Hopefully the new stuff just blows everyone away and it's a non-issue. Win-Win.

they don't hurt you, and they make you feel better, even though they don don't actually do anything. That, my friends, is the essence of snake oil salesmanship.

 

[Loaded Gun]

I agree, but was too curious not to try the androlean. Now I know about it and hope that others will see my log and experience and make a better decision about all the andro series products because they all are DHEA. Call me the sacrificial lamb if you will.

My main concern now is to regain good testosterone production (levels), balance a healthy cholesterol level. Estrogen has not been a problem. I'm currently looking into the 'testosterone diet'. I have found that cholesterol and testosterone go hand in hand; they have a relationship to one another that makes sense in the effect that cholesterol is produced by the liver to convert to testosterone. I just need to learn to use my cholesterol more efficiently in order to produce and maintain more normal testosterone levels. I will keep the fiber in my diet for now, but I will also go ahead and add my eggs, red meat, and such back to normal. Basically, go back to the diet I was maintaining before blood tests with the addition of more fiber.

 

[MattPorter]

I'm going to go ahead and say that the science claimed of the AndroLean on the PP site is false also. It shows overall testosterone to peak at about 1400 ng/dL and 600 ng/dL on the low end. I had a blood test done during the cycle and my testosterone was 294 ng/dL. So, I have personal experience and science to back up what I stated in my log.

-Here is the CATCH!

-AndroLEAN has a anabolic EQUIVALENCY to 91 mgs of testosterone - Meaning the total build-up of active steroids ie; androstenedione, androstenediol etc...will produce anabolic effects similar to 91mgs of test enanthate.

-SOooo if you were to TEST SPECIFICALLY for androstenedione and diol etc....then you would see blood work indicating those hormones to be HIGH, of course actual testosterone conversion is low and your number is actually to be expected.

- ANABOLIC EQUIVALENCY - 91mg a week of REAL test e. is pretty damn minute anyways so I am not surprised by the results.

 

[07Lane40]

im pretty sure he would show a shut down after 4 weeks of using which would show lower than normal test levels. this goes right along with the people on this board saying that any amount of AAS will shut you down and you should show lower than normal test levels if it is infact working.