First cycle advice Sustanon (sust) 250 or test e?

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First cycle advice sust 250 or test e?

Hey all. First time posting but I have been reading and searching for a while now. I have read countless threads on this forum about first timers using test e 500mg for 10-12 weeks and others using Sustanon (sust) 250 for about the same timeframe. Is there a preference in which to use for the first time or is the argument of " Test is test" valid here? I just want to be sure before I start my cycle next month. I am lookig to put on lean mass while keeping my bf low. All opionions and/or criticism welcome. Any vets open to comment?


Age: 26
6'0" 202 lbs 18% body fat
Training for 6 years; 4 seriously
 
I personally started with sus for my first and second cycle. Honestly I prefer test e over sus due to the shorter half life which leads to quicker post cycle therapy (pct) and also I believe you can keep your levels more even with test e then sus due to one ester vs 4 or 5 esters
 
That's where I was confused. Since test e has a long ester and sus has a mix of esters I thought the half life's were similar. Thank you for your input Cobra. So test e 500 mg for 10 weeks is the norm for first timers but what about 300 mg? I read that sticky 300 mg vs 600 mg of test for a first cycle. So super fresh receptors need that much test? I don't want to gain 25+ lbs first time! Lol even though that might be awesome as f**k.

Another question: if I only have access to getting sus how can I run it? Either way hcg during either cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just in case of gyno sides and clomid for PCT?
 
That's where I was confused. Since test e has a long ester and sus has a mix of esters I thought the half life's were similar. Thank you for your input Cobra. So test e 500 mg for 10 weeks is the norm for first timers but what about 300 mg? I read that sticky 300 mg vs 600 mg of test for a first cycle. So super fresh receptors need that much test? I don't want to gain 25+ lbs first time! Lol even though that might be awesome as f**k.

Another question: if I only have access to getting sus how can I run it? Either way hcg during either cycle with an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) just in case of gyno sides and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct)?

you could do 300 if you want...ive never ran it that low. I myself would go with 500 :) and go for 12 weeks vs 10

the way to run sus is extremely debateable...you can inject it once a week....twice a week...three times a week...or eod. Everyone will argue that one of those is the best way. I used it at 3 times a week just because I feel like the more shots the more even'd out your levels will be. Sus you need to wait a minimum of 3 weeks before post cycle therapy (pct) where as test e is 2 weeks.

Start hcg at 250iu every mon and thurs...if your nuts shrink then bump it up to 500iu every mon and thurs....do this throughout your entire cycle...then the day after your last test e inject blast 500iu every day for 10 days and post cycle therapy (pct) will start 4 days later...for sus you will blast 500iu ed for 17 days and 4 days later you will start post cycle therapy (pct)..

Get aromasin for your ai....when you start that I would go 12.5mg/ed at first and then titrate if necessary

post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid at 50/50/50/50 will suffice
 
Correct me if I'm wrong:


Wk 1-12 Test E 500 mg/ 250mg x2 a week
Wk 3-12 HCG 250iu- 500iu weekly
Wk 13-15 Clomid 50/50/50/50

Aromasin 12.5mg to 25mg daily depending on a/symptomatic estro sides.


Clean diet w/ carb cycling/zig zag diet for lean gains with minimal bf.


On your first cycle what were your gains on average?


I've read on a couple of threads here on Ology if you're bf is too high you might encounter more estro sides? :scratchhe. Should I get nizoral if I'm worried about accelerated balding? I know I know, I have too many questions.. :D
 
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test e is better for a first time user....1 shot/week
sustanon must be shot every other day like test propionate...
go with test e better for a first and even second cycle
 
test e is better for a first time user....1 shot/week
sustanon must be shot every other day like test propionate...
go with test e better for a first and even second cycle

I think test e should be a minimum of 2 shots a week....the half life is 7 days so if you shot 1 a week your levels would be up and down

Op....see what I'm saying here lol this guys opinion is eod with sus :)

The Aromasin looks fine...run that till the end of pct from the time you start it.

For the hcg start that week one....no reason to be shut down for a couple weeks. Also follow what I said about the blast phase in my previous post.

You are correct about the bf thing.

Don't worry about the nizoral.....that shit doesnt do anything.....if u want to prevent hairloss from test then get propecia or finastride and start it at 1mg a day a month prior to starting your cycle
 
If you are going to run Sustanon 250 then it would work better at 600mg week. 200mg eod. I found that running it 2x week gives me some mild acne and dry skin.. Nothing serious. Plus the gains are not as good at 500mg for some reason.

It's really hard to get good Sustanon (sust) so if you can get the test E it would be a better choice at 500mg/week like what has already been said.
 
I appreciate all the feedback from you guys.

So:

Wk 1-12 Test e 500mg
Wk 1-12 hcg 250-500iu
Wk 1-12 aromasin 12.5-25 mg (titrate as needed)

PCT clomid 50/50/50/50
Finastride just in case

How does stacking this with EQ 400mg for 10 wks sound for 2 nd cycle? Lol. I'm getting ahead of myself :dance2:
 
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I appreciate all the feedback from you guys.

So:

Wk 1-12 Test e 500mg
Wk 1-12 hcg 250-500iu
Wk 1-12 aromasin 12.5-25 mg (titrate as needed)

PCT clomid 50/50/50/50
Finastride just in case

How does stacking this with EQ 400mg for 10 wks sound for 2 nd cycle? Lol. I'm getting ahead of myself :dance2:

aromasin needs to be ran all the way through pct after you start it.

also you should incorporate the hcg blast phase between your last inject and pct...

finastride is not for just in case. You need to take that a month ahead of time for it to start working.

eq would be best ran at 5-600 per week and at a 12 week minimum for your next cycle...this one though should be test only
 
^ this. Ok so my source can't get aromasin but he can get adex. He states that it's going to run me about $170. Is that price ok? What would the dosage be for that on cycle? Or should I not get it and try something else from RUI?
 
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Ok used the search bar and found a thread on AI's. Apparently im getting ripped off or the adex.. Going to order from man power nutrition . Com. Funny enough you posted that, Cobra. Dosewise from what Ive read is .5 mg E3D if gyno symptoms occur. I will be sticking to aromasin since it's generally more accessible.
 
Ya test e or c is nice to get started. You get the concept of pinning because your only doing it twice a week. That's what I like. I never pinned and was kind of scared at first. So it really helps.
 
Ok used the search bar and found a thread on AI's. Apparently im getting ripped off or the adex.. Going to order from man power nutrition . Com. Funny enough you posted that, Cobra. Dosewise from what Ive read is .5 mg E3D if gyno symptoms occur. I will be sticking to aromasin since it's generally more accessible.

ya bro...get aromasin from manpower....actually get you should get your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pct from them....buying on the street is a rip off. Im sure you have already checked them out but their prices are pretty good...far better than 170 :)

and aromasin you should start by running it at 12.5mg/ed
 
ya bro...get aromasin from manpower....actually get you should get your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and pct from them....buying on the street is a rip off. Im sure you have already checked them out but their prices are pretty good...far better than 170 :)

and aromasin you should start by running it at 12.5mg/ed

Thanks dude. You know what the funny thing about the Adex from my friend is? I've know this guy almost 19 years now and the asshole wants to charge me that much. I'm glad I searched the forums and found that website.

Well today I get my gear from this dude as soon as I get out of work.I think the price was ok $130 for 10ml's of Test E. Later on today I'll place the order for the AI's, post cycle therapy (pct), and finasteride.
 
Thanks dude. You know what the funny thing about the Adex from my friend is? I've know this guy almost 19 years now and the asshole wants to charge me that much. I'm glad I searched the forums and found that website.

Well today I get my gear from this dude as soon as I get out of work.I think the price was ok $130 for 10ml's of Test E. Later on today I'll place the order for the AI's, post cycle therapy (pct), and finasteride.

Holy shit bro that is not a good deal.....you shouldn't pay anymore than 50$ for your test...dam he is jacking u
 
Yeah dude I had the feeling. Things here in Miami are WAY over priced these days. Thanks for the advice.For some reason I can't send a message. I think a mod disabled something on my profile and it doesnt let me reply. The message states that I dont have access to the webpage.
 
Yeah dude I had the feeling. Things here in Miami are WAY over priced these days. Thanks for the advice.For some reason I can't send a message. I think a mod disabled something on my profile and it doesnt let me reply. The message states that I dont have access to the webpage.

Ya you can't send messages until you have reached like 25 or 50 posts I think
 
That explains it.. Thanks for looking out, bro. I'm going to check that out tonight. As for the gear I'm picking it up later around 3pm. Lesson learned. Check these prices he gave me for the following:

Test E $130 10 mls
Adex $170
Clomid $170

And for the he'll of it I inquired about the EQ 10 mls and that was another $170. I wised up mid-conversation with him and remembered about the post cycle therapy (pct) websites.

So once I have everything I need I will start on about a month once I can get my bf down a little bit more. Since I want lean bulk is there a training routine instead of split that I can use for full body? 5x5 training, crossfit, etc? Suggestions? I know, I know.. I ask a lot of questions but better safe than sorry..
 
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