First cycle, lots of gear, need advise?

[wnewport11]

Okay, stats:
28 years old, 6ft, 208lbs this morning, been training for 12 years. Diet is in good shape and BF% is roughly at 10%.

I have purchased (from a trustworthy friend)
60 Dbols at 25mg each
2 Vial 10ml Test E 250
2 Vial 10ml Test P 100
3 Vial 10ml Sustanon 250
2 Vial 10ml Deca 200

This is what I have on hand including plenty of Arimidex, Prami, Nolva, and Clomid.

As far as what cycle I should do first, I would like to break this up into 2 different cycles. A beginner and then after PCT a more advanced.
With this amount what would be my best first and then 2nd cycle???

 

[Cobra Strike]

one idea....

week 1-4
test p 100mg eod
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 1-10
sus 250mg mon thurs
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 10-12
test e 250mg mon thurs
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 15-18
clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
taper adex in half 2 weeks into pct




save the rest

 

[balboa270]

one idea....

week 1-4
test p 100mg eod
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 1-10
sus 250mg mon thurs
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 10-12
test e 250mg mon thurs
adex .25-.5mg eod
week 15-18
clomid 50/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20
taper adex in half 2 weeks into pct




save the rest

not shitting on parade cobras good on all, but why cant he run adex on through and dbol not enough to get 2 weeks the .25 regular bump to .5 if sides and for cobra would it be crazy to start the test e before sust?

 

[wnewport11]

Okay, my question to Cobra is??? why the long pause from week 12 to week 15 to start my PCT??? I thought with Test E you should start PCT at 14 days??
IDK

 

[wnewport11]

Also.... what about a second cycle? Do I not have enough gear to run two smaller cycles??

 

[Cobra Strike]

not shitting on parade cobras good on all, but why cant he run adex on through and dbol not enough to get 2 weeks the .25 regular bump to .5 if sides and for cobra would it be crazy to start the test e before sust?

I am not a fan of orals so I would rather kick start with an injectable....also prop is still test and doesnt cause the bloat dbol does so dbol might confuse him on whats going on and what compound is making his body react like it is...

the adex issue is it is hard to give a dose to someone when everyone reacts different to things...the only way to know for sure if your estro is in control and your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosages are good is by bloodwork...so I gave him a range to choose from....also was some quick work by me instead of explaining lol

as far as starting the test e after the sus goes....if he had enough I would just suggest test e all the way through...but he doesnt. He has plenty of sus so he can use that. Since sus takes a bit to kick in I thought the kick start with test p would be good. Also I thought it would be good to end the cycle with test e because that will allow the deconate ester more time to clear out of his system which in turn will decrease his time between his last shot and start of pct.

I think that explains it lol

op....you can either take the adex when you see signs of gyno or you can start from the beginning...the thing is there are guys that can have really high estro w/o noticing gyno so they dont take the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) which is bad...you dont know which one you are so blood work before cycle....6 weeks in...and again 2 weeks after pct.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Okay, my question to Cobra is??? why the long pause from week 12 to week 15 to start my PCT??? I thought with Test E you should start PCT at 14 days??
IDK

it isnt a long pause....your cycle will run all the way through week 12...then you go all of week 13 and 14 waiting...then the beginning of week 15 would be 2 weeks...in all reality 2 weeks is a little early IMO

 

[Cobra Strike]

Also.... what about a second cycle? Do I not have enough gear to run two smaller cycles??

you would need more deca and test to run another cycle....IMO you would be much better off just sticking to test e on the next one

 

[balboa270]

I am not a fan of orals so I would rather kick start with an injectable....also prop is still test and doesnt cause the bloat dbol does so dbol might confuse him on whats going on and what compound is making his body react like it is...

the adex issue is it is hard to give a dose to someone when everyone reacts different to things...the only way to know for sure if your estro is in control and your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) dosages are good is by bloodwork...so I gave him a range to choose from....also was some quick work by me instead of explaining lol

as far as starting the test e after the sus goes....if he had enough I would just suggest test e all the way through...but he doesnt. He has plenty of sus so he can use that. Since sus takes a bit to kick in I thought the kick start with test p would be good. Also I thought it would be good to end the cycle with test e because that will allow the deconate ester more time to clear out of his system which in turn will decrease his time between his last shot and start of pct.

I think that explains it lol

op....you can either take the adex when you see signs of gyno or you can start from the beginning...the thing is there are guys that can have really high estro w/o noticing gyno so they dont take the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) which is bad...you dont know which one you are so blood work before cycle....6 weeks in...and again 2 weeks after pct.

Op I did not rob your thread he advised me and the info he gave me should help you as well and I totally agree on Aromatase inhibitor (AI) doses these are base doses I dont even take the doses suggested but I learned my spots thanks cobra

 

[wnewport11]

I was wanting to save the Dbol for my second cycle so I could guage the difference it makes from just plain test as I would use test with the dbol....

I don't know alot yet but I was thinking:

1-4 Prop eod 1cc
1-10 Enan twice week at 1cc
adex .50 eod (if sides occur)
PCT

Then 2nd cycle
1-4 Dbol twice daily 25mg

1-14 Sustanon at 1/7th cc 3 times
week=525mg per week.

1-10 Deca 200 twice weekly

adex eod .5

and Prami if prog sides occur.

PCT


How does that look? Will that work?

 

[Cobra Strike]

I was wanting to save the Dbol for my second cycle so I could guage the difference it makes from just plain test as I would use test with the dbol....

I don't know alot yet but I was thinking:

1-4 Prop eod 1cc
1-10 Enan twice week at 1cc
adex .50 eod (if sides occur)
PCT

Then 2nd cycle
1-4 Dbol twice daily 25mg

1-14 Sustanon at 1/7th cc 3 times
week=525mg per week.

1-10 Deca 200 twice weekly

adex eod .5

and Prami if prog sides occur.

PCT


How does that look? Will that work?

your first cycle will work...im just not a fan of 10 weeks...

your second cycle deca needs to be ran at 12 weeks minimum...you dont have enough for that...

the sus will work like that..if you split it into 3 then you should be doing 3/4ml everyshot which will give you a little over 13 weeks...also based on experience...you should really think about ending your sus cycle with either test p or test e....waiting 3-4 weeks for pct sucks

but other than that I dont see anything wrong with what you want to do

 

[Cobra Strike]

Op I did not rob your thread he advised me and the info he gave me should help you as well and I totally agree on Aromatase inhibitor (AI) doses these are base doses I dont even take the doses suggested but I learned my spots thanks cobra

I agree....lets guys know what im thinking

 

[balboa270]

I agree....lets guys know what im thinking

cant rep ya need to spread the love but thanks dick face lol

 

[wnewport11]

Okay then I will pick up a couple more bottles of Test E and One more bottle of Deca then, I can get them tomorrow. So this will extend out my first cycle to 15 weeks..... Think that will be better?

Then on my last cycle I'll run the deca 14 weeks and start and finish up the sus with the other bottle of Test E making sure to end the test two weeks after last pin on the deca????

 

[balboa270]

Okay then I will pick up a couple more bottles of Test E and One more bottle of Deca then, I can get them tomorrow. So this will extend out my first cycle to 15 weeks..... Think that will be better?

Then on my last cycle I'll run the deca 14 weeks and start and finish up the sus with the other bottle of Test E making sure to end the test two weeks after last pin on the deca????

man not recommended but for deca I say yes Im gonna get in trouble but 18 weeks test and 16 weeks deca is my spot but if this is first time not recommended you will not know whats fucking you up

 

[Cobra Strike]

man not recommended but for deca I say yes Im gonna get in trouble but 18 weeks test and 16 weeks deca is my spot but if this is first time not recommended you will not know whats fucking you up

Those time frames are fine bro

 

[wnewport11]

Thanks Cobra!!! Gonna check out and see how good this gear is, hit my first pin of the prop this morning and I know it's not suppose to hit for a few days but...... Well idk but I felt different only 12 hrs later, workout was slightly more intense and sweat was definately more noticeable. No strength gain of course but pump was slightly more pronounced, more than mental hyping I think!