first cycle - primo

[frederick2]

Hi, I really just want to get some toughts about my first cycle, which I'm thinking to do this autumn. I'm 22 years old, and have trained since i turned 17. I am 5'9 tall and weighing 170lbs, being relatively lean. I am thinking about doing my first cycle with some primobolan. Before I drown i comments telling me that a relatively small amount of primo isn't effective enough; I have to say that I am not looking to gain any more than 20lbs (my goal being to weigh about 180-185lbs ripped, in a couple of years).

But my question is still about how much I might gain with 5 weeks with 200mgs of primo each week, of course with hard training og good dieting. I have read on forums where people say that suck a cycle will leave the individual with no noticeable improvements, while others say one might gain between 3-7lbs with permanent muscle gain. So how many lbs (of lean muscle mass) do you guys think can be achieved with such a cycle? I do not expect more than 5-6 lbs...

I appreciate all serious answers!

 

[Matt0071]

First cycle should always start off with some sort of test " Test Only Cycle" and see how your body reacts to test
as far as the gains go, on your first cycle of test u will see huge amount of gains with like u said proper dieting and training!

 

[DADAWG]

Hi, I really just want to get some toughts about my first cycle, which I'm thinking to do this autumn. I'm 22 years old, and have trained since i turned 17. I am 5'9 tall and weighing 170lbs, being relatively lean. I am thinking about doing my first cycle with some primobolan. Before I drown i comments telling me that a relatively small amount of primo isn't effective enough; I have to say that I am not looking to gain any more than 20lbs (my goal being to weigh about 180-185lbs ripped, in a couple of years).

But my question is still about how much I might gain with 5 weeks with 200mgs of primo each week, of course with hard training og good dieting. I have read on forums where people say that suck a cycle will leave the individual with no noticeable improvements, while others say one might gain between 3-7lbs with permanent muscle gain. So how many lbs (of lean muscle mass) do you guys think can be achieved with such a cycle? I do not expect more than 5-6 lbs...

I appreciate all serious answers!

welcome to OLOGY

sorry , that cycle is terrible.1st 5 week cycles are a waste of time , even with very short ester gear imo you need 7-8 weeks MINIMUM. primo is to mild so unless you have the money to run 800-1000 mg of primo for that long then save your money and do 400-600 mg of test eth or cyp for 10-12 weeks . start pct 2 weeks after last injection and run 50 mg of clomid and 20 mg of nolva a day for 3-4 weeks.
control the amount you gain with your diet.

 

[frederick2]

Thanks alot for answers! But the truth is that I'm only looking to gain about between 4-7 lbs. (I'm also worrying abit about side effects). As I am reading about test cycles, there seems to be alot(!) of different side effects.
Will 5 weeks of primo 200mg/week be able to give 4-7lbs of muscle?
If not, what kind of cycle would you recommend to give 4-7lbs of lean muscle gains?

 

[BoBoy]

Thanks alot for answers! But the truth is that I'm only looking to gain about between 4-7 lbs. (I'm also worrying abit about side effects). As I am reading about test cycles, there seems to be alot(!) of different side effects.
Will 5 weeks of primo 200mg/week be able to give 4-7lbs of muscle?
If not, what kind of cycle would you recommend to give 4-7lbs of lean muscle gains?

You werent listening to Dawg , he told you what to do .....12 weeks of test ONLY will give you what your after . NO PRIMO , not yet . If you can"t/won"t follow instructions then your not ready . ~Bo

 

[frederick2]

We all have different goals. Mine is to gain keep fit, and "fill out" in my weight class, as I'm also doing mma. So again:
Will 5 weeks of primo 200mg/week be able to give 4-7lbs of muscle?
If not, what kind of cycle would you recommend to give 4-7lbs of lean muscle gains?

 

[R1rider]

^^^i agree with DAWG, listen to DADAWG bro

90% of what you gain is dependent on DIET. FOOD MAKES YOU GROW! so you can control your diet to control the amount lbs you gain

a test cycle can do what you are looking for. you can gain 4-7 lbs of muscle and increase you LBM. also keep in mind most AAS will hurt your endurance. stick to test only

 

[ryand]

Thanks alot for answers! But the truth is that I'm only looking to gain about between 4-7 lbs. (I'm also worrying abit about side effects). As I am reading about test cycles, there seems to be alot(!) of different side effects.
Will 5 weeks of primo 200mg/week be able to give 4-7lbs of muscle?
If not, what kind of cycle would you recommend to give 4-7lbs of lean muscle gains?

You want to gain 4-7lbs and you're considering AAS? And you are only 22?

I have a better idea, eat more food. It's the best steroid.

 

[frederick2]

What I really dont like about test is that is causes all the side effects damaging inner organs, raises cholesterole, and gives all the estrogenic and androgenic side effects. :/ What about adding 5mg (each day) of oral winstrol to the cycle? Wouldn't that be an OK cycle to gain those ripped 5 lbs? =)

 

[R1rider]

you need more research bro, ^^^ TEST IS THE BASE OF ALL CYCLES.

taking any kind of AAS lowers/shuts down you natural test production. so that's why you take test so you can maintain gains, feel and function like a normal man and have a sex drive

winny is terrible on the joints and cholesterol levels. first cycle should be TEST

testosterone is the safest and closest natural( since your body makes it naturally anyways) AAS if taken/cycled correctly.

You can achieve what you want with a good diet at your age bro, if anything throw in some cell tech

 

[ryand]

What I really dont like about test is that is causes all the side effects damaging inner organs, raises cholesterole, and gives all the estrogenic and androgenic side effects. :/ What about adding 5mg (each day) of oral winstrol to the cycle? Wouldn't that be an OK cycle to gain those ripped 5 lbs? =)

You know what I like about test? My natty test makes me a man and makes me fuck like a champ.

If you are considering winstrol you obviously need to do a lot more reading.

Doing this is a waste of your time and your health is you are only looking to gain a 'few ripped lbs'. I gained 25lbs of muscle in one year and just a few pounds of fat (when I had been lifting for 6 years previously) completely credited to changing my diet.

If you insist on running something...maybe look into SARMS.

 

[methos]

frederick, you really need to listen to the advice above. You are gaining info from EXPERIENCED people, professional athletes etc. No matter how many times you change the wording you will not find anyone that will give you the answer you want to here. At 22 years old, you are only limited by diet. Your Test levels should already be high enough to make the gains you want. If you are training MMA then you are burning much more calories that the average athlete (well you should be at least). I have been where you are, same age, same goals etc. I made the same mistakes that you are about to make. You really need to focus on your diet and the timing of the right foods. A short cycle of anything may actually hamper your performance. First of all Primo will not do anything for you. Heck at that small dose, you will not even know you are taking anything. Any other gear you try may get you the weight gain that you want, but it will most likely be water weight for the first 4 weeks. Then you have to deal with higher hemocrit (thicker blood) etc which will decrease your cardio performance. Then there is the receovery aspect that you have to get through.

More about diet? When I was your age, (20+ years ago) I gained 15 pounds of hard muscle and kept it while taking bunk gear on a fake 12 week cycle. Why?? Well I thought I was on cycle so I started eating like a pig to grow like a freak and I did. It was basically like taking placebo and thinking it was real. Had blood work done at the beginning and end which enabled me to find out the T was fake. Check your diet. Sorry this is not the answer you are looking for, but it's the RIGHT answer.

 

[Harnold]

I gained a little under thirty solid pounds for the most part when I was 19 years old. I ate eggs but mostly egg whites every way I could stand them. when I couldn't stand them anymore I switched to tuna. obviously I ate other things but they were no doubt the reason for the gain.
save your money on the primo, you won't gain shit from it alone.

 

[juced_porkchop]

Thanks alot for answers! But the truth is that I'm only looking to gain about between 4-7 lbs. (I'm also worrying abit about side effects). As I am reading about test cycles, there seems to be alot(!) of different side effects.
Will 5 weeks of primo 200mg/week be able to give 4-7lbs of muscle?
If not, what kind of cycle would you recommend to give 4-7lbs of lean muscle gains?

dude EAT and leave the gear alone......

and listin to dadawg......or dont keep asking...

Test free cycle is a bad cycle in my op.
you body needs test for functions and on primo only you would get shut down and not have yoru normal levels thats one reason why we say TEST BASE!

and 5weeks cycle? that shows you dont have any idea what you are doing. and with primo? primo i would rec 16weeks at 600mg ew+ 200-300mg testew and THAT IS FOR 10lbs LEAN! if your a newbie maybe 15 when its all said and done.

steroids are not magic, you expect WAY too much.


Good luck!

 

[juced_porkchop]

What I really dont like about test is that is causes all the side effects damaging inner organs, raises cholesterole, and gives all the estrogenic and androgenic side effects. :/ What about adding 5mg (each day) of oral winstrol to the cycle? Wouldn't that be an OK cycle to gain those ripped 5 lbs? =)

dude do your research for a few months on the forums them come back to us with questions..

also, test DOES NOT DAMAGE ANY ORGANS!
TEST is the only steroid that is FOUND in our damin bodies!!! I would worrie is about the rest if anything.
Sides? what sides? you shoudl be using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) liek aromasin or letro ANYWAY!
and with that you would not have estrogen issues.
15 weeks of primo might not get you 7 lb man! DIET!
look you have WAY WAY to much to research to even be asking questions right now...


and get 7lb at 22?.. if you cant do that with diet you probbily wont even with steroids.

good luck

 

[frederick2]

I really appreciate the replies, and aplogize if I seem arrgoant. (My genetics arent that good, and my diet is relatively good, as I have been training and dieting hard for several years). What seems most bothering about the test cycles are also the fact that I might get a bloated face and lots of estrogenic side effects, and I do not have estrogen-blockers available...

I also have deca (oil) and turanabol (tablets) available. But Deca seems to have the same estrogenic side effects, and from what i have read T-bol seems to be quite harsh on the liver (specially the oral ones)... Any suggestions??

(btw, I might be able to get my hands on nolvadex; does anybody know the "dosage relationship" with ABS?)

 

[juced_porkchop]

What I really dont like about test is that is causes all the side effects damaging inner organs, raises cholesterole, and gives all the estrogenic and androgenic side effects. :/ What about adding 5mg (each day) of oral winstrol to the cycle? Wouldn't that be an OK cycle to gain those ripped 5 lbs? =)

so your worried about test sides but are gonan use winny?

THIS IS A TROLL!

and if not. look ill use tren,test,primo,deca,masteron,hgh,igf,dbol,tbol,anavar and i still wount use Winstrol (winny) because of how bad it is for your blood and body.

STEP BACK and stop thinking of these ideas your getting and research for another year and come back.

 

[frederick2]

I am not a troll, and do apologize if I seem arrogant. I have read some, but of course not enough; thats why I turn to more experirenced and knowledgeable users for info...

 

[juced_porkchop]

I really appreciate the replies, and aplogize if I seem arrgoant. (My genetics arent that good, and my diet is relatively good, as I have been training and dieting hard for several years). What seems most bothering about the test cycles are also the fact that I might get a bloated face and lots of estrogenic side effects, and I do not have estrogen-blockers available...

I also have deca (oil) and turanabol (tablets) available. But Deca seems to have the same estrogenic side effects, and from what i have read T-bol seems to be quite harsh on the liver (specially the oral ones)... Any suggestions??

(btw, I might be able to get my hands on nolvadex; does anybody know the "dosage relationship" with ABS?)

you DONT WANT estogen blockers thats what yoru going to use for post cycle therapy (pct) (thats right your gonna use them )
you do know what post cycle therapy (pct) is right? search it here....
also Deca DOES NOT give you estrogen effects...

what you want is an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin. and YOU CAN GET IT! if you cant you should not be doing this. shit RUI products has it here!

Im done here

 

[juced_porkchop]

also if you used deca you would need something new altogether for side efffects from the prog. BECAUSE ITS NOT FROM THE ESTROGEN.

bottem line:
You have no business using any any sort of steroid with your head space... PERIOD!
good luck!