HRT Exit Strategy...

Had my follow up today with my urologist and I have my blood work in hand now. There is mostly good news and a couple of suprises.

Snapshot numbers are as follows:

Total test: 1048 ng/dl - looks fantastic!
% Free test: 4.98%
Test Free: 47.2
LH: 6.2
FSH: 8.3
SHBG: 27.3 - a little higher than I like.
E2: 39.9 - still higher than I like and I can tell. I generally feel a little softer and I don't look quite as grainy and hard. I really should have increased the AI.

Liver values
ALT: 41
AST: 62

This is a result of the Clomid and Nolva. I expected this elevation. Not a big issue as I expect it to return to normal shortly after I discontinue those substances.

All CBC numbers looked good. Crit was 48.4%.

I still have a week and a half of Nolva left and then 2 weeks of letro to taper off of.

While this is really promising the really big hurdle is still to come.

I'll get my next blood work done 30 days after I taper off of the Letro. That will be the best barometer of how well I am holding up without any type of support.

What I know as of right now is that this protocol for exit did the job!

Now it is up to my body to stabilze. I would be totally thrilled if my numbers stayed around 900. In fact, if I can do that, I wouldn't resume my HRT.

If my numbers start to fall back towards 500 again then it will be back to HRT.

Time will tell.
 
That is fantastic new cashout, your post has just provided me with even more confidence the my post cycle therapy (pct) following 3 years on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) WILL work.

I will be initiating mine next, month. I know everybody is different, however, this post has provided me with alot of reassurance.

Marc
 
Your numbers look nothing but short of outstanding. Upon your exit and being off Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for a while your test is still at 1048ng/dl. This is very good news for you and it remains the same or just a tad lower like you said. I know you used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then moved onto clomid, why is the Nolvadex necessary?
 
EnhancedAthlete said:
Your numbers look nothing but short of outstanding. Upon your exit and being off Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for a while your test is still at 1048ng/dl. This is very good news for you and it remains the same or just a tad lower like you said. I know you used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then moved onto clomid, why is the Nolvadex necessary?
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In several studies, the two have been shown to work synergistic to increase LH/FSH and subsequently test production beyond what either drug was able to do alone.
 
You should get paid for being the guinny pig! I know you are doing this for reseach purposes but it will be so useful to so many. I hear many discontinue testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) just because of cost, then it becomes a real sacrifice to make things work. Your data is encouraging. Keep it up>
 
Today was the last day of my nolva treatment.

From here on out, I am on 1.25 mg of Letro on Mon/Thurs only for the next 2 weeks. After that I will step the Letro down to .625 mg on Mon/Thursday and finally .625 mg on Wed only for two weeks. I am doing this because my E was still higher than i would like on my last blood draw and I want to make sure that it has a chance to level off so that the feedback loop is not affected in a negative way.

So, my next blood draw will be March 5th. By then I would hope that my T level will have stabilized and reached an equilibrium that my body can maintain for the long term.

Overall this process has gone very smoothly.
 
awesome to here man! this is an awesome thread, im glad someone has decided to try to come off,

i was on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) when i was younger, the doc tapered my test down after about 6months to a year on, and my body stabalized, and i was able to get off of it as well, so it can be done, but obviously about 8-10 years later i am back on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) because my body decided it did not want to stabalize again, so it is good to here that someone who has been on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for so long can hopefully get stabalization back !!
 
this is one of the best threads on all of ology! I am constantly checking this thread.
We are all lucky to have this research at our disposal.

Thanks Cashout!
 
For those that are wondering when viewing the spreadsheet, the only modification I made to the orignal plan posted in the first post in the thread was to extend the taper off time for the letro. As I mentioned, my estro jumped up during the HCG treatments and has remained in the upper 30's range. For me that is pretty high and I notice the effects.

So, I am going to taper the Letro out more slowly to avoid any potential rebound that could create an even greater estro spike and negatively impat the HPTA feedback loop (which seems to be in high gear at the moment :)).
 
Finally, if I had to do this exit again, I would definitely increase the frequency of administration of my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) Letro from 1.25 mg on M/Th to at least 1.25 mg on M/W/F or possible greater.

Even on a 2X a week dose schedule, my estro still jump from the HCG.

So, for those who might need to exit in the future my first suggestion would be make sure you have considered your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) needs ESPECIALLY during the HIGH Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) administration phase.
 
Hey bro just wanted to say Thanx 4 ur input earlier. I was wondering what u think of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as monotherapy for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)? Or is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) n clomid just used short term for a restart?
 
Thedude67 said:
Hey bro just wanted to say Thanx 4 ur input earlier. I was wondering what u think of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as monotherapy for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)? Or is Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) n clomid just used short term for a restart?
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I've got no experience with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as a monotherapy.

I've neither used it that way nor do I have any evidence to support that it would or would not work for Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) on its own.

Sorry.
 
cashout said:
Although it is detailed in the original post in this thread, a lot of folks are asking about the layout of the protocol I have used so I decided to publish a complete Google Doc spreadsheet with the format of my exit. It is linked below...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Alu0tyS7B7FmdHhQUEVBY0lva1BhYXMyUS1mNHJiVkE&output=html
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this will be helpful to some in the future for sure.. and educational for us all right now. Thanks for all the insight and info.
 
Cash out , I appluade you for doing this 'test'. I didn't read the whole thread so maybe I'm speaking out of turn.
When you went on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) yur total test was higher than my levels after 2 months of 100 mg 1/week. And I felt great. But 579 wasn't what you were used to. So after you stop taking exegenous test and other Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and any drug for that matter, what makes you think that your test level will remain above where it was when you started yur HRT.

There is a reason Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is a lifelong ommitment me thinks. Just becuase you artificially raised yur test level for a period of time doesn't mean yur body will keep it there on its own. I really think yur delusional, but love your optimism.
 
carverelli said:
Cash out , I appluade you for doing this 'test'. I didn't read the whole thread so maybe I'm speaking out of turn.
When you went on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) yur total test was higher than my levels after 2 months of 100 mg 1/week. And I felt great. But 579 wasn't what you were used to. So after you stop taking exegenous test and other Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and any drug for that matter, what makes you think that your test level will remain above where it was when you started yur HRT.

There is a reason Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is a lifelong ommitment me thinks. Just becuase you artificially raised yur test level for a period of time doesn't mean yur body will keep it there on its own. I really think yur delusional, but love your optimism.
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Your opinion of my mental state notwithstanding, one of the hypotheses that I am evaluating with this protocol is that I will not sustain as high a level as I was once able to when I was younger.

Without testing it, I have no basis for a conclusion.
 
cashout said:
Your opinion of my mental state notwithstanding, one of the hypotheses that I am evaluating with this protocol is that I will not sustain as high a level as I was once able to when I was younger.

Without testing it, I have no basis for a conclusion.
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dam...you sound like an engineer.
I'd be surprised as hell to see it any higher than 500 within 2 months without any exogenous anything..
 
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