I wish I knew what I was talking about

[Mr. Humdiddly]

unfortunately the point of this thread has been lost. This was never about gear. That's a totally different discussion.

This was about understanding the basic fundamentals of what it takes to build muscle and get stronger. Without all three you will never do this. No matter the gear, supps, whatever you add.

Of course I only wish I knew what I was talking about. Sorry... talkig.

Hmmm... I apologize i have trouble discerning the nature of the original discussion due to the change in thread title. So this thread was just meant as a statement regarding the fundamentals of training? Sorry I thought this was a discussion. I agree with your initial statements then.

Humdiddly out.

 

[Turtleneck1971]

There are many good points in this thread. I know that with all the great joys of life that personally I am lucky to get 5-6 hours of sleep a day and since I work midnights its less at times. I do try to eat descent but again with the shitty hours I keep I find myself relying on fast food much more then I should. I don't supplement a whole lot personally and usually consume about 1 shake a night while at work. I definately find myself over training and have to get back on the heavier and less exercises. I feel that Genetics play an incredible role in this game and personally I am a ectomorph and can eat fast food every meal and not get fat. All the props to people that have gained all that weight in the last year but once you get around 200lbs your gonna find out that it slows down considerably imo.. Right now i'm 5'10" 210lbs and about 12% and I damn sure look forward to my next run starting in January. Good luck to all

 

[Mr P]

I have seen so many threads lately with guys wondering about does this work, does that work, will this make me huge.... and most of them are less than 200lbs.

listen up guys... I'm here to tell you the secrets you all have been spending thousands of dollars trying to figure out.

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

That's it. Thats all. I promise if you do that, you will grow. i just talked to a guy in another thread who spends $700/month on supps. Not steroids... supplements. That's almost a house payment.

I'm not trying to discourage conversation or debate, cause that is what these forums are for. But so many of you are missing the simplest thing about this game.

Stop wasting your time and money trying to find shortcuts... cuase there aren't any!
So once again for the short bus riding window lickers...

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

Humdiddly,
I know RJ meant this for the people that are looking for a short cut without doing the work.. & the basics are true if you EAT TRAIN & SLEEP you will grow..
But if you EAT, TRAIN, GEAR & SLEEP you will grow & will reach your fitness goals faster.
What DPR is saying about 85% diet & IMO 15 % possibly gear & Training.. It's true.
It should be the persons choice if they choose to do it the natural way or if they choose to do it with the help of supp or gear, or both.
As long as they educate themselves.
Not everyone is blessed with good genetics some people need the extra boost to help them reach their goals.

 

[Wormwood]

I think it was a senseless and dickhead move to change the title of this thread to, "I wish I knew what I was talking about."

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

I'm by no means saying food, rest and training aren't needed. Here is the problem More than 70% of the food consumed in the western hemisphere is void of "usable nutrience".
after "ultra pasturazation and pasturazation and is often unusable due to the oxidized enzims or lack of minerals needed to metabolize them.

This is one of the causes of obesity in the USA.

Now I'm no fan of GNC but the lake for nutrient dense food is one of reason for supplementation.

I will go as far as saying muscle growth is 85% diet.

Wait I am confused. You said pasteurizing food decreases it's nutrient yield which I agree with especially in terms of water soluble vitamins. Then you go on to say this is caused by oxidized enzymes? Are we talking homogenization or pasteurization? I assume you are talking homogenization, so do you mean bacterial flora? I am totally confused as to what your trying to say. Also since agricorp's hold the rein on most of the food markets wouldn't hormones be more of an issue? Especially since in the western hemisphere the US dominates agricultural exports due to government subsidies due largely in part to the farm bill?

 

[big bk]

I agree with cyto..let s keep it going...
We all agree to what the 3 main ingredients are ..and also that AAS enhance the anabolics of it all..and that genetics come into play..
And with genetics I mean mean mental genetics as well..as discipline to adhere to the things that will work best to make you grow or even maintain ,at my age..is paramount. Am I stating the obvious

Teutonic you bring up a good point that a lot of people I don't think consider with aas. The idea of external stress factors how much that weighs on you and all that shit. It does go back to genetics ultimately at least I look at it that way because it is in your chemical and genetic makeup. I believe in the recent weeks before I actually started my account here we had a member on this very forum that was dealing with some serious psychological issues resulting from what seemed to be a combination of external factors combined with his choice of using tren.

I think our mental state is one of the most important factors in all of this as it controls how well we will perform in the physical areas needed for growth as well as how receptive and attentive we will be to the changes going on both physical and mental and how ready willing and able we are to make adjustments based on what we see and feel.

I definitely agree with RJH and I gotta say I'm pretty shocked the thread had the title changed and got slapped down like that it was in the least thought provoking and if it wasn't fucken already cyto came in and made sure that it became so with his great post on not just playing fucken lemmings but actually considering the shit we let out of our mouths in support or defense of others and the implications that shit has before doing so.

I think I took RJH's post a bit differently though, to me it looked like his point was that a lot of the new posts about their cycle plans or stack ideas and all that just seemed to show a general lack of understanding of the overall picture when it comes to training diet and rest and the way it all fits together and definitely a lot of the newer posts seemed to be guys praying for some hail mary miracle they toss up now and come out of in 3 months looking like fucken flex wheeler and shit and it just ain't the way it is. Body building and self improvement in general is a fucken way of life you get it or you don't and roids won't make you do that, only understanding yourself and all of the factors in play and their respective roles will.

That was sort of the point I took but maybe I'm just an asshole by nature so I'm on the same wavelength as RJH and can read between his lines.

 

[llD3MONll]

Teutonic sl84 and any one else.

Prior to every running gear are you gulity of using the suppliments over food.

I can say i'm gulity of it. I was drawn into the world of take this and you will be huge. I see a dude in a mag slaming a handful of vitamins and a caption that says " you too can have the moster released" oh hell i had to run out an d buy that shit. "scammed"
anyone that syas they have never been scammed is full of shit caus ethe minute you hand your credits over to these dudes you just got bent over.

Real food and gear made that guy what he is. Not supps.

yea i have deff drank a protien shake and skipped meals before. its so tempting but almost just as bad as not eating anything at all. i feel so guilty when i do it haha

 

[llD3MONll]

I have seen so many threads lately with guys wondering about does this work, does that work, will this make me huge.... and most of them are less than 200lbs.

listen up guys... I'm here to tell you the secrets you all have been spending thousands of dollars trying to figure out.

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

That's it. Thats all. I promise if you do that, you will grow. i just talked to a guy in another thread who spends $700/month on supps. Not steroids... supplements. That's almost a house payment.

I'm not trying to discourage conversation or debate, cause that is what these forums are for. But so many of you are missing the simplest thing about this game.

Stop wasting your time and money trying to find shortcuts... cuase there aren't any!
So once again for the short bus riding window lickers...

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

Humdiddly,
I know RJ meant this for the people that are looking for a short cut without doing the work.. & the basics are true if you EAT TRAIN & SLEEP you will grow..
But if you EAT, TRAIN, GEAR & SLEEP you will grow & will reach your fitness goals faster.
What DPR is saying about 85% diet & IMO 15 % possibly gear & Training.. It's true.
It should be the persons choice if they choose to do it the natural way or if they choose to do it with the help of supp or gear, or both.
As long as they educate themselves.
Not everyone is blessed with good genetics some people need the extra boost to help them reach their goals.

i agree 100%. gear will make you skyrocket if all other variables are in check.. ie - eat,sleep,and training is right

 

[RJ]

I think I took RJH's post a bit differently though, to me it looked like his point was that a lot of the new posts about their cycle plans or stack ideas and all that just seemed to show a general lack of understanding of the overall picture when it comes to training diet and rest and the way it all fits together and definitely a lot of the newer posts seemed to be guys praying for some hail mary miracle they toss up now and come out of in 3 months looking like fucken flex wheeler and shit and it just ain't the way it is.

well, someone got the point of this thread. lol

Again, this wasn't about using gear. Everyone knows gear is a shortcut. Everyone knows gear makes you reach your goals faster. Everyone knows gear will help with protein synthesis, positive nitrogen balance, etc. This isn't about that.

The point was, once again, without the fundamentals... you ain't growing.

 

[ANABOLICO]

well RJ,
Maybe you should have worded your post differently, because if only 1 person gets it from all the responses ..obviously your point was lost in translation.

You seem to know your shit, but always come out like such a dick, I know we're all here to make our point & hear what others have to say, but there's just no need IMO to be such an Asshole about it.

You're probably proud of your title, but just to give you a reality check (Cyto is not an asshole), he knows his shit & so do you, but the difference is Cyto does not have a " I am God Complex".
& I know you're going to say this is irrelevant to your post, but guess what I'm saying it anyways, most people agree with you because they don't have the balls to stand up & say what they really think about you.

There's a lot of good members here that give good constructive advise to many that are seeking real help !
I've read a lot of your posts & you honestly come out as a smart ass, that knows it all,

I'm not saying you need to promote the use of AAS to newbies that don't know what they're doing, but don't forget your response to their post could make the difference between them ever posting again.

I think we have to re- analize the way we help each other out & remember it makes a difference how we respond to these members & how we guide them, after all Ology is not about like cyto said "if you're looking for a diet only forum (Martha Stuart) has it"

P.s (Not everyone can grow by DIET, TRAIN, SLEEP)
Some people are not Genetically gifted, as I've read you have taken a lot of AAS in your competition time, so I guess you weren't gifted !
The Thread title suits you just fine.

 

[big bk]

P.s (Not everyone can grow by DIET, TRAIN, SLEEP)

Unless you've maxed out your genetic potential for muscle growth which I'd say only a tiny tiny very fucken tiny fraction of 1% of the world population has done then you can grow with the right diet, the right training, and the right amount and method of rest.

Of course clutch words there are the right, and that varies person to person and pound to pound because as you add and subtract muscle and fat the things you need to do to maintain and continue growing get altered but the bottom fucken line is that people who say they can't grow naturally are 99% full of shit straight up they just don't know how to do it right for them and more often than not are just following blindly what some other people are done have done or are telling them to do and have no intuition when it comes to their own body.

Will you grow differently than the guy next to you? Probably. Will putting on and taking off weight from certain parts of your body be more difficult for you than for the guy down the road? Probably. Can you do it all faster and maybe more effectively with the right aas and some additional supplementation at times? Probably. Do you have to be genetically gifted to grow with the right training, the right diet, and the right rest patterns? Fuck no you need to be a living breathing person willing to learn your body and do what it takes. Figure that out and aas can be a great tool. Don't figure that out and they'll be crutch.

 

[RJ]

well RJ,
Maybe you should have worded your post differently, because if only 1 person gets it from all the responses ..obviously your point was lost in translation.

You seem to know your shit, but always come out like such a dick, I know we're all here to make our point & hear what others have to say, but there's just no need IMO to be such an Asshole about it.

You're probably proud of your title, but just to give you a reality check (Cyto is not an asshole), he knows his shit & so do you, but the difference is Cyto does not have a " I am God Complex".
& I know you're going to say this is irrelevant to your post, but guess what I'm saying it anyways, most people agree with you because they don't have the balls to stand up & say what they really think about you.

There's a lot of good members here that give good constructive advise to many that are seeking real help !
I've read a lot of your posts & you honestly come out as a smart ass, that knows it all,

I'm not saying you need to promote the use of AAS to newbies that don't know what they're doing, but don't forget your response to their post could make the difference between them ever posting again.

I think we have to re- analize the way we help each other out & remember it makes a difference how we respond to these members & how we guide them, after all Ology is not about like cyto said "if you're looking for a diet only forum (Martha Stuart) has it"

P.s (Not everyone can grow by DIET, TRAIN, SLEEP)
Some people are not Genetically gifted, as I've read you have taken a lot of AAS in your competition time, so I guess you weren't gifted !
The Thread title suits you just fine.

being genetically gifted has nothing to do with gear. Yes, i have done alot of juice... did I ever say i didn't? No. did i ever say anything about not using gear? No.

Jesus christ why is this so hard to understand. For the 4th time... I was laying out the basic principles required to grow. I mentioned nothing of gear... everyone else did. I said it had nothing to do with it several times. Actually i don't think I ever mentioned gear. I did mention shortcuts, but i only consider gear a shortcut if... guess what.... you don't follow the three principles I mentioned. Now, if you can't grow using those, then like BK said, you're full of shit.

Everyone always comes on here and says "RJ you come off like such a dick/asshole/whatever". So what? If someone wants to do something there gonna do it.

You know the difference is between me and most? One is I have the balls to be blunt about it and speak the truth (as do a few others like Teut, Det and Cyto) and I also look out for these guys best interest, unlike most who repeat the same shit they heard at a million other boards but have no real world experience. Do i do it in a different way than you? Sure. But i don't blow smoke up anyones ass. Again, this is the internet, why do people take this shit so seriously?

As for the god complex thing... I never said that I was right about anything ever. I say its based on personal experience or its my opinion. And i always tell others to do the same. I don't come on here and say "you can't use deca alone for a cycle". I base all my posts on personal experience or I make sure I say its secondhand.

Oh yeah, if I hurt your feelings in any of my responses to you... I'm sowwy!!

 

[ANABOLICO]

I'm SOWWY too, If your feeling were hurt,
You oviosly were pissed at what DPR & others had to say about what they tought, I'm not saying you cannot grow if you are not genetically gifted, you can, but IMO AAS will help along the process.
And again I state your initial post was kind of blunt & said " you were in other words being so nice as to "SHARE YOUR SECRETS"
to growing.. based on your 3 simple steps: EAT, TRAIN, SLEEP.

Wich are true, but if you would have explained in your initial post that you mean this as an initial bases, & that you know that Gear is a plus, & it does help some achieve full potential.. This debate would have been avoided.

I've seen many train hard as fuck, Eat well & sleep like a bear while hibernating & they still don't gain what others do while doing the same thing.

And in regards to your "God Complex" Don't worry about it, what ever rocks your boat, IMO you come off as an arrogant person. You do get offended & you do take what others say about you seriously or you wouldn't either bother replying..
Cyto & Oak IMO tell it how it is, but don't come off sounding like you...but you my man need to calm the fuck down & realize you learn something new everyday.

You can help & say it like it is, guide people without being an asshole about it. That's just how I feel.

 

[Ninpo]

What's so freakin hard to understand about this post? It's not rocket science!

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

Absolutely The Basic fundamentals of Body Building!

Not, run to GNC and buy all these supps.

When I started over 20yrs ago GNC didn't even exist.

I have seen so many threads lately with guys wondering about does this work, does that work, will this make me huge.... and most of them are less than 200lbs.

listen up guys... I'm here to tell you the secrets you all have been spending thousands of dollars trying to figure out.

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT

That's it. Thats all. I promise if you do that, you will grow.

i just talked to a guy in another thread who spends $700/month on supps. Not steroids... supplements. That's almost a house payment.

I'm not trying to discourage conversation or debate, cause that is what these forums are for. But so many of you are missing the simplest thing about this game.

Stop wasting your time and money trying to find shortcuts... cuase there aren't any!

So once again for the short bus riding window lickers...

EAT REAL FOOD AND ALOT OF IT
TRAIN HARD AND INCREASE WEIGHT EACH WEEK (even if its microloading)
SLEEP AT LEAST 7-8 HOURS A DAY
REPEAT


Thank you.

 

[ezred]

i like having assholes around because honestly this forums needs them, there are so many ridiculous posts and claims and questions and cycle propositions etc. etc. etc. and so much regurgitated bull shit with no backing statements or arguments just people parroting left and right and for a new guy who is misguided that doesn't help nearly as much as someone coming in and throwing down the hammer and saying "look you're fuck'n retarded don't even think about doing that here's a way to do it that has worked for me and others and here's why."

i first started researching steroids by finding out what people were popping for on drug tests. i'm an athlete, so i read about athletes. i found stanazolol listed a lot. i went to wikipedia and read about stanazolol. i thought "interesting..." and i continued to read. i found myself on the ology and reading everyone say run test only, but i was still like "come on, why?" at the time i didn't yet know about the hpta, about getting your natty test back, about what the effects would be of having low/no test, about all kinds of stuff. it was a lot of the "asshole" posts by the "asshole" people posted with "asshole" wording that really kicked me into gear and had me like "ok wait there's actually science behind this and what they are saying MAKES SENSE!" it was those posts that caused me to stick around and read more and sign up a little while later and actually take a level headed approach to this stuff and make the jump only after learning as much as i could about as much as i could.

i initially had that "but my GOALS are different," or "but I AM different," type of mentality which was really just denial and downright fuck'n stupidity trying to screw me up.

and i'm a smart guy with a lot of life experiences (military special forces and some hairy situations here and there that came along with it) and if you want to go there test results (SAT, ASVAB , IQ) to say that i'm a cool, level-headed, logical and rational highly effective problem solver.

i don't say that toot my own horn at all, i understand there are PLENTY of people out there FAR smarter, FAR more logical, and capable of FAR higher level cognitive reasoning than i, i say it simply because i nearly messed myself up being a naive, narrow-minded and irrational retard at first, in spite of having a history that would say i'm not likely to be "that guy."

if you can't handle someone being an ass online while imparting knowledge on others gleaned from years of experience and trial and error then i really don't know what to tell you.... hope you have a good spotter though 'cause it is hard to hold and throw back up 400 lbs of iron bearing down on your chest when you're focused on how far your g string panties are riding up your ass.

bring on the assholes, rip me a new one guys, remind me why i'm a retard and whip me back into shape!

 

[ANABOLICO]

being genetically gifted has nothing to do with gear. Yes, i have done alot of juice... did I ever say i didn't? No. did i ever say anything about not using gear? No.

Jesus christ why is this so hard to understand. For the 4th time... I was laying out the basic principles required to grow. I mentioned nothing of gear... everyone else did. I said it had nothing to do with it several times. Actually i don't think I ever mentioned gear. I did mention shortcuts, but i only consider gear a shortcut if... guess what.... you don't follow the three principles I mentioned. Now, if you can't grow using those, then like BK said, you're full of shit.

Everyone always comes on here and says "RJ you come off like such a dick/asshole/whatever". So what? If someone wants to do something there gonna do it.
You know the difference is between me and most? One is I have the balls to be blunt about it and speak the truth (as do a few others like Teut, Det and Cyto) and I also look out for these guys best interest, unlike most who repeat the same shit they heard at a million other boards but have no real world experience. Do i do it in a different way than you? Sure. But i don't blow smoke up anyones ass. Again, this is the internet, why do people take this shit so seriously? As for the god complex thing... I never said that I was right about anything ever. I say its based on personal experience or its my opinion. And i always tell others to do the same. I don't come on here and say "you can't use deca alone for a cycle". I base all my posts on personal experience or I make sure I say its secondhand.

Oh yeah, if I hurt your feelings in any of my responses to you... I'm sowwy!!

RJ, RJ are you ok man ?? is all this stress getting to you ??
you're misspelling a lot of shit here my man !

"So what? If someone wants to do something there gonna do it."

"You know the difference is between me and most?"

The difference is I IS BLACK !!!

WHAT UP ??

Getting out of your element there RJ ??

Hey man go relax & give your wife some sugar !

 

[TonySuicideKing]

Black people are on this forum... and use steroids... NO WAY! NEWS TO ME hahahahaha!!!!!

 

[Life_judge]

What?

What about the Test e study subjects that didn't weight train and still gained muscle mass. I disagree, take a guy that works out 3 x a week eats just 3 times a day an sleeps 6 hours a day. Then take a guy that's the same age , preferably a similar body type and put him on the same diet and rest then give him some test. Regardless of anything I think the brother with gear will reach his goal faster?

 

[Ninpo]

I agree that the guy with the gear is going to get where he wants to be faster.

But I don't think that's what RJH meant by "supplements". Pretty sure he meant GNC shit and NOT gear. $700 bucks could be a lot of food and and other shit.

Either way.

If you run gear
don't workout
diet is great
never rest your body will not grow as it should!

IF you run gear
Eat properly
Train right
Rest enough you can gain large amounts of LBM.

IF you don't run gear
Eat properly
Train right
Rest enough you can gain large amounts of LBM, just not as fast as on Gear!

IF you don't run gear
Don't eat properly
Train right
Rest enough your gains if any will not be what they could be!

Any of the three missing in the equation the results are hindered!

What about the Test e study subjects that didn't weight train and still gained muscle mass. I disagree, take a guy that works out 3 x a week eats just 3 times a day an sleeps 6 hours a day. Then take a guy that's the same age , preferably a similar body type and put him on the same diet and rest then give him some test. Regardless of anything I think the brother with gear will reach his goal faster?

 

[jimbo79]

RJ, RJ are you ok man ?? is all this stress getting to you ??
you're misspelling a lot of shit here my man !

"So what? If someone wants to do something there gonna do it."

"You know the difference is between me and most?"

The difference is I IS BLACK !!!

WHAT UP ??

Getting out of your element there RJ ??

Hey man go relax & give your wife some sugar !

WTF?......there is no difference! How did this thread turn into a race/politics argue..

Color of skin has nothing to do with...EAT/SLEEP/TRAIN..not where I live..


Tell you guys this...If gear wasn't in existence...I'm still getting up at 4am.heading to the gym..popping some vitamins..hitting some cardio..lifting some weight..

Still would be the same...growth..depending on goals at the time of year..id tweak my diet..as for gear, with all the underdosed shit out there..maybe your fn lifting naturally anyways..and placebo and motivation are giving the gains..

PLUS FOOD PLUS REST PLUS TRAINING PLUS SEX....