I would like some opinions on this cycle

[The Almighty]

Ok, this is the debate.

Ok here we go:

Test Enath 800mg per wk 1-20
EQ 1000mg per wk 1-20
Dbol 25mg ED wk 1-5
Fina 100mg EOD 1-6
Winny 50mg ED wk 14-20

This is the cycle someone is proposing. He is a young male, 190 pounds, at 9-10%bf. This is his 4th cycle. Many people seem to agree with this cycle. I would like to hear opinions on why you do or do not believe this cycle is a good idea.

The point of this thread is to engage in a discussion surrounding the mega-dosing we see a lot these days, mainly by kids who dont know what they are doing. I am a big believe in "less is more," but there are going to be people who disagree with me, and I would like them to post why.

 

[ironfist]

I would debate this intelligently on your board as long as you and your buddy can keep from stirring shit on my board. I'm not blaming anyone as there were a few parties acting inappropriately. tell slobbernocker to chill out...

 

[The Almighty]

I have told him to clean it up on the boards as well as through pm's. I seriously just want this discussion to take place. I look forward to your opinions.

Also, please dont say I was "stirring shit" since that was the exact opposite of my intentions.

 

[ironfist]

It all depneds on the person and how they react. i think size has a factor as well but different people react differently to the same amount of a drug. Some people are more resistant and can use more. i've taken in large amounts of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and never really experienced any side effects. I truley believe it's all relevant to the person. I don't like the cycle but i would do it without a problem. i'm a lean 240 and I grow on higher doses...

Now, sorry for jumping off track. I don't know this persons past cycles doses. That being said, if he does like longer cycles and it was me, i would do the following

Test Enath 800mg per wk 1-20
EQ 1000mg per wk 1-20
Fina 100mg EOD 18-24
Winny 50mg ED wk 18-24

Now, keep in mind I like long cycles and i wouldn't consider that overkill depending on the persons cycle experience. I definately would not consider it harmful either. He should know how his body reacts by now so he is really the only onwe that can guide us in helping him...

 

[The Almighty]

It all depneds on the person and how they react. i think size has a factor as well but different people react differently to the same amount of a drug. Some people are more resistant and can use more. i've taken in large amounts of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and never really experienced any side effects. I truley believe it's all relevant to the person. I don't like the cycle but i would do it without a problem. i'm a lean 240 and I grow on higher doses...

Now, sorry for jumping off track. I don't know this persons past cycles doses. That being said, if he does like longer cycles and it was me, i would do the following

Test Enath 800mg per wk 1-20
EQ 1000mg per wk 1-20
Fina 100mg EOD 18-24
Winny 50mg ED wk 18-24

Now, keep in mind I like long cycles and i wouldn't consider that overkill depending on the persons cycle experience. I definately would not consider it harmful either. He should know how his body reacts by now so he is really the only onwe that can guide us in helping him...

Many good points in here. Obviously there is no exact science when it comes to steroid use....it is, for the most part, an individual thing.

Lets hear some more.

 

[slobberknocker]

I already said my piece. If you're 190, you don't need 2-3 grams of gear. This is common sense when dealing with the new poster. But when the guy has 3,000 posts, oh no, better not question his cycle.

 

[LAWNSAVER]

I dont see any reason to go over 600mg of EQ when taking it for so long! I also dont see any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) atrophy prevention in the cycle. Its a must! I would also like to see some prop in weeks 20-24.

It is all going to come down to diet and genetics to see what will happen. I say he will get the same results using half those doses.

I really dont think people understand genetic limitations. If there isnt enough food taken in growth will stop. This guy in going to have to increase his caloric intake by 500-1000 cals every week to see continuing growth. He wont do this. So save some money, use half the doses and allow your body to get used to the gains slowly and steadily!

 

[AustinTX]

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Now, keep in mind I like long cycles and i wouldn't consider that overkill depending on the persons cycle experience. I definately would not consider it harmful either. He should know how his body reacts by now so he is really the only onwe that can guide us in helping him...

What about the lipid profile changes on a cycle like that? Cholestorol and high blood pressure are pretty much "silent killers" (to steal someone's pr) with no outward symptoms.

I mentioned on the other thread that I'd throw some Nolva and 1000 to 1500 mgs of Niacin into the mix to help with the lipid profile, in addition to the Milk Thistle he was going to use.

If I were to run something that long, I'd put Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into the mix during the cycle as well.

Could probably knock a month of the cycle based on his goals too.

 

[RoadHouse]

Just rember though, Some people gain off of 250mgs of test per weekm some need 750mgs. Im not saying his cycle is right, but you cant say, a xx pound person doesnt need this. Rember hes 5'7 or 5'9 so hes a little short. You cant put a persons bodyweight into a formula to come out with the mgs per week.

 

[bigdog20]

I dont like the cycle much. I would run it like this
test 1000mg week 1-20
eq 600mg week 1-14
d-boll 25mg ed 1-6
fina 100mg eod 14-20
winny 50mg ed 14-20

 

[Rokomuscle1]

Holy shit.. this guy is young and only 190 fucking lbs!!! He should grow well on half that amount of test and EQ.... Cut the EQ to 400 and the test to 500 (maybe 750) Total overkill in my opinion...

 

[StoneColdNTO]

IMO, with his stats and cycle expereience........he should probably be looking at his diet and training, instead of trying to make up these shortfalls with massive amounts of gear.

 

[RoadHouse]

Or quit typing kid, in every post.

Should we really be discussing here? Or should we go over to FG and discuss in a non-flame like manner? Just a thought, we can talk all day about what hes doing wrong, but what good does that do besides satisfy us thta he is wrong?

 

[The Almighty]

Stone cold, fantom, heyyo, etc....those were my words exactly. Of course, I was chastized and accused of starting shit on the board. Ive had more intelligent conversations with my girlfriends Chicken-Dance Elmo doll.

Lawnsaver, I like the twists you brought up for the cycle, but do you really think that 20 weeks is necessary?

Also, about the points of not being able to come up with an exact formula...that is 100% true. The thing is....I find it hard to believe that anyone who has "great genetics" (in his own words) would need such an extreme cycle to gain 10 measley pounds.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Or quit typing kid, in every post.

Are we talkin' about "Rado" ???

 

[jcp2]

If their is one problem with the boards it is that you make these drugs so readily available that these cycles are even possible for kids and people that have no need to run these doses. I am trying to picture in my mind what 190lbs look like, and if someone that size asked me about that cycle I would probably laugh first, and tell them they are crazy second.

Now if i had to critique the cycle i would say cut the eq down to 600mg, cut the long esthers down to 12 weeks and run the fina for longer, say weeks 5-14. I would cut the dbol and Winstrol (winny). I honestly don't think 5 drugs are needed in a cycle, especially with those stats.

 

[The Almighty]

Or quit typing kid, in every post.

Should we really be discussing here? Or should we go over to FG and discuss in a non-flame like manner? Just a thought, we can talk all day about what hes doing wrong, but what good does that do besides satisfy us thta he is wrong?

I tried doing that at FG last night....I wasted an hour of my life that I will never get back trying to discuss it.

I created two threads and did my best to maintain a mature, adult discussion about the subject, but Bouncer decided to delete both of them, for reasons only him and God will ever know it seems.

Im not trying to change the kids mind...if he wants to waste his money on all that gear while going to the gym twice a week and only doing chest and arms thats fine with me. I would seriously like to get many opinions on the megadosing we see these days.

Many people take it as gospel that you HAVE to increase your doses each cycle in order to get results.

 

[house1]

[Holy shit.. this guy is young and only 190 fucking lbs!!! He should grow well on half that amount of test and EQ.... Cut the EQ to 400 and the test to 500 (maybe 750) Total overkill in my opinion...]


i agree with thefantom1, overkill imo . his stats says alot. i feel he needs half the gear and focus more on diet. you need to eat to grow i dont care how much gear you pump into your system. gear is not a magic bullet. the more you put into yourself the greater risks of serious sides. something to really consider at his age.

almighty, what were his previous cycles like.

 

[RoadHouse]

Are we talkin' about "Rado" ???

Yes

Almighty,
I agree with you about not having to increase dosages, I have lowered my dosages w bit ago, after realizing most of the gains or fat losses come in the gym and in the ktitchen, not in the bathroom injecting. I just think it is pointless to discuss it over here.

 

[The Almighty]

I am trying to picture in my mind what 190lbs look like,

Again, I dont want to make this thread about him....but rather I wish it to be an intelligent discussion on theories behind certain doses.