IGF-1 vs HGH
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Slayer
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To get a good response, you should post a proper intro: training history, Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) history, goals, age, diet, etc.
After I posted this I modified it. Maybe I spoke too soon, because I see you not a newbie. But it still might help to know what your goals are.
After I posted this I modified it. Maybe I spoke too soon, because I see you not a newbie. But it still might help to know what your goals are.
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HeywoodJAblome
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I'm about to start both at the same time with some Test Prop and Anavar.
For most people a minimum of 3iu per day of HGH is used. IGF that I've seen only comes in 1mg increments, and the minimum is 20mcg/day. If you get 1mg you can do a 50 day cycle of IGF at 20mcg/day, with 2 you can do 40mcg/day, etc. I'll be running 40mcg/day. Typically you do a 50 day cycle of IGF with 20-40 days off. HGH you run continuously at a minimmum of 3 months.
To answer your question about which one to start with, it really depends on your goals and budget. HGH has many great effects that can be noticed over a long period of time. HGH will help you lose body fat and increase your general well being. IGF will give you more immediate muscle building effects since the muscle building effects of HGH are actually preformed by IGF. IGF is generally cheaper. Hope that helps.
For most people a minimum of 3iu per day of HGH is used. IGF that I've seen only comes in 1mg increments, and the minimum is 20mcg/day. If you get 1mg you can do a 50 day cycle of IGF at 20mcg/day, with 2 you can do 40mcg/day, etc. I'll be running 40mcg/day. Typically you do a 50 day cycle of IGF with 20-40 days off. HGH you run continuously at a minimmum of 3 months.
To answer your question about which one to start with, it really depends on your goals and budget. HGH has many great effects that can be noticed over a long period of time. HGH will help you lose body fat and increase your general well being. IGF will give you more immediate muscle building effects since the muscle building effects of HGH are actually preformed by IGF. IGF is generally cheaper. Hope that helps.
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HeywoodJAblome
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Stack it with whatever you'd normally take to get big and cut. To get cut it's all about diet.
You need to post your diet, work out history, hieght, weight, age, body fat, etc. That's the only way people are going to be able to help you.
You need to post your diet, work out history, hieght, weight, age, body fat, etc. That's the only way people are going to be able to help you.
caddy
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Breakfast:
Whole organic oats, nuts seeds (almonds/sesame seeds/pumpkin seeds) with 100%
maple syrup.
combined with:
Scrambled egg whites with any veggies I feel like adding, ultra light (part
skim) or veggie cheese (soy)
If I cannot eat the eggwhites or am too lazy to cook the eggs, I'll have a
protein shake instead-but whenever possible, I try to avoid powders-sometimes
however it is not possible.
Brunch:
2 slices of Ezekiel bread with almond/peanut butter (all natural of course)
and a "SOL-T Power Shake" (6 frozen berry blend I buy at the grocery store,
pineapple, soy milk (gonna switch to organic skim), whey powder.
If I am on the road, I'll just have an apple and a protein shake-and
supplement some EFA's.
Lunch:
Brown rice. with a lean protein source such as chicken breast, turkey, egg
whites, fish (Tuna, salmon either in steak./fillet form or canned)
WORKOUT:
Post workout shake (within 10 minutes) is 100 carbs (carb drink) combined with
whey powder.
Post workout meal (within the hour) is another lean protein source combined
with a high GI (simple) carb such as white rice.
Dinner: Fibrous carbs of any sort. Either stemed/boiled veggies like
Broccoli/cauliflower/asparagus, etc etc. salmon/chicken/tune..you get the
idea.
example, large egg white omelette with veggies. OR Tuna steak, OR salmon and
veggies..
Before bed snack is similar to dinner. I'll have a protein shake (low carb)
with some water and fat free plain yogurt mixed in. I say PLAIN yogurt, not
fruit yogurt, since the fruit is LOADED with processed sugar.
Generally,
My first three meals are mainly complex carbs (50%), with protein/fats filling
in the remaining percentages.
My remaining meals are mainly protein, with fibrous carbs carbs/fats filling
in the rest. I try to reduce fat as well as the evening progresses, but a
little fat before bed can keep you from being catabolic for the long fast that
is ahead.
technically speaking, I can have my lunch for breakfast, and vice versa, I do
this sometimes for a change.
I dont cheat. I dont eat processed foods. I eat well and I eat often.
ALthough there are only 6 meals listed, many days I will eat 8 times or
more-depending on my schedule and how many hours I am awake. Basically, I eat
every couple of hours-how many meals that turns into by the end of a working
day depends on the length/activity associated with that day.
For example, leg day in the gym usually means 3 heavy carb meals before. My
workouts have been insanely better, I have more energy, and I have more growth
to show as a result. If you wanna win the race, you gotta put top quality fuel
in. My best workout are on the days when my meals are planned out correctly
ensuring I get the proper support for the workout that lies ahead.
I also do cardio BEFORE my workout. I lift 4 days a week (Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri).
I do cardio on my off days, but not on an empty stomach. I'll do it about 1.5
hours after a meal.
Basically, activity 6 or 7 days a week.
Hope that helped.
Mon: LEGS
Tue: Chest, Bi's
WED:CARDIO only
thu: Back, forearms
Fri: Shoulders, tri's
Sat:CARDIO only
Sun: CARDIO ONLY
Points to remeber. Fruits are your friend. Don't be afraid of an apple because
it has carbs. JUICES however should be avoided. Get your food from natural
sources-skip the OJ, and have an orange. In fact, try and have 1 piece of raw
fruit daily.
Process foods are not an option for me. Obviously I am not perfect since I
have shakes, but hey-no ones perfect.
Height 5"9
Weight 160
Age 23
Body Fat 7.8%
Whole organic oats, nuts seeds (almonds/sesame seeds/pumpkin seeds) with 100%
maple syrup.
combined with:
Scrambled egg whites with any veggies I feel like adding, ultra light (part
skim) or veggie cheese (soy)
If I cannot eat the eggwhites or am too lazy to cook the eggs, I'll have a
protein shake instead-but whenever possible, I try to avoid powders-sometimes
however it is not possible.
Brunch:
2 slices of Ezekiel bread with almond/peanut butter (all natural of course)
and a "SOL-T Power Shake" (6 frozen berry blend I buy at the grocery store,
pineapple, soy milk (gonna switch to organic skim), whey powder.
If I am on the road, I'll just have an apple and a protein shake-and
supplement some EFA's.
Lunch:
Brown rice. with a lean protein source such as chicken breast, turkey, egg
whites, fish (Tuna, salmon either in steak./fillet form or canned)
WORKOUT:
Post workout shake (within 10 minutes) is 100 carbs (carb drink) combined with
whey powder.
Post workout meal (within the hour) is another lean protein source combined
with a high GI (simple) carb such as white rice.
Dinner: Fibrous carbs of any sort. Either stemed/boiled veggies like
Broccoli/cauliflower/asparagus, etc etc. salmon/chicken/tune..you get the
idea.
example, large egg white omelette with veggies. OR Tuna steak, OR salmon and
veggies..
Before bed snack is similar to dinner. I'll have a protein shake (low carb)
with some water and fat free plain yogurt mixed in. I say PLAIN yogurt, not
fruit yogurt, since the fruit is LOADED with processed sugar.
Generally,
My first three meals are mainly complex carbs (50%), with protein/fats filling
in the remaining percentages.
My remaining meals are mainly protein, with fibrous carbs carbs/fats filling
in the rest. I try to reduce fat as well as the evening progresses, but a
little fat before bed can keep you from being catabolic for the long fast that
is ahead.
technically speaking, I can have my lunch for breakfast, and vice versa, I do
this sometimes for a change.
I dont cheat. I dont eat processed foods. I eat well and I eat often.
ALthough there are only 6 meals listed, many days I will eat 8 times or
more-depending on my schedule and how many hours I am awake. Basically, I eat
every couple of hours-how many meals that turns into by the end of a working
day depends on the length/activity associated with that day.
For example, leg day in the gym usually means 3 heavy carb meals before. My
workouts have been insanely better, I have more energy, and I have more growth
to show as a result. If you wanna win the race, you gotta put top quality fuel
in. My best workout are on the days when my meals are planned out correctly
ensuring I get the proper support for the workout that lies ahead.
I also do cardio BEFORE my workout. I lift 4 days a week (Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri).
I do cardio on my off days, but not on an empty stomach. I'll do it about 1.5
hours after a meal.
Basically, activity 6 or 7 days a week.
Hope that helped.
Mon: LEGS
Tue: Chest, Bi's
WED:CARDIO only
thu: Back, forearms
Fri: Shoulders, tri's
Sat:CARDIO only
Sun: CARDIO ONLY
Points to remeber. Fruits are your friend. Don't be afraid of an apple because
it has carbs. JUICES however should be avoided. Get your food from natural
sources-skip the OJ, and have an orange. In fact, try and have 1 piece of raw
fruit daily.
Process foods are not an option for me. Obviously I am not perfect since I
have shakes, but hey-no ones perfect.
Height 5"9
Weight 160
Age 23
Body Fat 7.8%
HeywoodJAblome
New member
At that body fat I'd stack it with some Test and D-Bol. Use Femara to keep the bloting and estrogen related side effects down and you should be cool.
I would bump the eq to 600 or maybe even 800/wk. Yes I would use arimidex or femara (my personal favorite) it will help control bloat and give you a pretty nice effect in conjunction with the GH. My only other recommendation is for the GH, I would use it everyday even if that meant using less iu's per day. However this should depend on if you can afford it because the most important thing about hgh is to use it as long as possible. That being said the only reason to ever do 5 on 2 off is to extend the length of the cycle. If you can, I think 5iu's 7 days a week would be more beneficial.
China_Wall
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IGF-1 and HGH are not to be compared.
HGH wins hands down.
HGH wins hands down.
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