Igf-1lr3

[Repo]

So there has been some very good post here, you guys have been doing your homework and I'm happy to see the guys posting pretty accurate info. Osta-M good explanation.

I have ran igf on and off non stop for about 20 something months now. Almost two years.

IMO, igf shares shuttling properties of insulin but at a much lower rate unless you really increase the dose but you aren't taking any of the risk so it's pretty easy to figure out for the vast majority igf is the way to go.

I personally use igf DES pre workout, 60-100mcg, I've went as high as 200mcg but decided it got to expensive. I then use lr3 post wo.

Igf is excellent any time but I love it during post cycle therapy (pct) and after. It really helps to maintain the muscle you have added. It seems to help remain lean, there are some thoughts that lr3 has some effect on lydeg cells and helps to speed recovery.

Now since it will help shuttle nutrients, I use 60-100 mcg pre workout with a shake consisting of protien and carbs (fast and slow), bcaa's, creatine, glutamine and add others if you want. At 100mcg and above, I found that I was losing energy fast once I started training so I added the same shake during training. I believe this helped replace and maintain glycogen stores and kept energy up. I then dose lr3 40-100mcg about 30-60 minutes pwo then have a third shake or a full meal.

Pumps are ridiculous dosing this way. I normally am not a big fan of shakes, but with igf or slin the point is to shuttle important nutrients at the ideal times. With shakes you can get fast and slow absorbing carbs and protiens. On average I add 50g protien, 30-50g carbs, 5-10g bcaa, 5-10 creatine, 5-10 glutamine to each shake.

You are getting all of what you need at the right times. You could drop the third and just have a meal. I would keep the third one if it were slin but a meal is probably better with igf since glycogen shouldn't be depleted.

People always compare igf to gh. I don't. Yes gh passes through the liver and produces igf which can then create new muscle cells, those cells are then grown and matured with AAS use. IMO with the igf peptide, I mostly use it for insulin like factors, but in the right environment between AAS, diet, training, hyperplasia may occur but I can't say for sure. With igf created by gh inside the body I believe the igf to take a different pathway. This is just my opinion, not a fact of any sort.

So I would say igf is a go to peptide. I recon with aa. I know guys who use bac water but I think they are using the entire vial in a week. I know even more who believe it works perfectly fine in BW but I stick to aa. It needs to be kept in the fridge in both powder and reconstituted form. Don't spray the aa directly onto the powder, slowly let it drip down the side of the vial and do not shake the vial. If it doesn't instantly mix, either let it sit for a few minutes or slowly roll it in one direction between your hands.

It can be injected sub Q or IM. I do both in no particular order. Some believe you can micro dose DES for site growth but im not sure. That would mean pinning say 5-10mcg in 5 or so different spots over a one inch area of the muscle you are trying to grow. I don't personally do that.

Great info User - and to the rest s well...

This is an upcoming addition to my cycle.

 

[Zeek]

I'm not quite sure - I would bet that it is more a result of the amount of IGF induced by GH. GH induces IGF-1 transcription at a ratio far greater than 1:1...probably orders of magnitude greater. I'd bet that the amount of synthetic IGF we inject is nowhere near the levels of hepatic IGF induced by exogenous GH. And IF we were to mirror those levels (induced by GH) with exogenous synthetic IGFs, the resultant organ growth would probably be equal or even greater. I do know that in some organisms GH also induces IGF-2, which is a very anabolic peptide, generally only active during early development, and very hyperplasic.

THIS IS ALL SPECULATION THOUGH.

this is something that needs to be answered definitively in one way or another because it is important and we should know which product is boosting numbers and to what levels.

How long after taking IGF-1 LR3 does it take for IGF levels to peak?

Is there a build up time for levels to slowly peak out over a few days or even weeks? with HGH there is not. Inject 6iu of quality HGH on day 1 and take a test in 1 hour and you should be looking at 600+ IGF-1 numbers

Same question as above but this time with DES?

I could eat on DES in the same way that I coul eat on 5 iu ed of HGH except for the ability to eat like this and not get fat and actually lean out in the process. It would take me about 6 weeks of being on GH to get to that level and only 2 days of DES before I reached the same level and or ability if you follow me.

You go into a processing mode where everything gets shuttled around and used, burned whatever you want to say to describe it.

LR3 never took me there. just DES and GH

I will say that the LR3 was from a different board and a sponsor that is not on this board. So it may have been crap

 

[DaHurt]

this is something that needs to be answered definitively in one way or another because it is important and we should know which product is boosting numbers and to what levels.

How long after taking IGF-1 LR3 does it take for IGF levels to peak?

Is there a build up time for levels to slowly peak out over a few days or even weeks? with HGH there is not. Inject 6iu of quality HGH on day 1 and take a test in 1 hour and you should be looking at 600+ IGF-1 numbers

Same question as above but this time with DES?

That^ Absolutely. It's really interesting the different effects on your appetite lr3 and DES had too.

Did you get your IGF-1 measured on DES?

 

[Zeek]

That^ Absolutely. It's really interesting the different effects on your appetite lr3 and DES had too.

Did you get your IGF-1 measured on DES?

I did not basically because I lacked information. as far as where the peak is post injection. HGH peaks between 1-3 hours and then stays considerably high even 12 hours post injection

Example HGH at 600 1 hour post injection

HGH at 612 3 hour post inj

GH 510 12 hours post


there is a thread on another board with a guy that did all of these tests on himself and he scanned and posted them with the times and all. Very valuable info since the guy is just a user like the rest of us it seems.

 

[Zeek]

OM might be able to answer these questions on the DES and LR3 and then we would know when to have blood drawn on our research animal

DaHurt have you seen my lab animal and how he is coming along?

 

[DaHurt]

OM might be able to answer these questions on the DES and LR3 and then we would know when to have blood drawn on our research animal

DaHurt have you seen my lab animal and how he is coming along?

No I haven't - was there a pic posted of him?

 

[Zeek]

No I haven't - was there a pic posted of him?

This pic was taken at the end of week 4 on DES

 

[DaHurt]

Haha looking good Zeek!

 

[bfriedman1017]

So you guys think I should get.one of those lunch boxes so I can inject in gym?

 

[balboa270]

Ha your thread boosted all sales on sponsers tonight ask for a discount lol

 

[Zeek]

So you guys think I should get.one of those lunch boxes so I can inject in gym?

well it's not illegal if by some fluke you get caught with it going back and forth.

 

[anewguy]

Any more opinions on IGF? I am contemplating running it, but it's really not cheap... And I hate to waste money on a peptide that isn't going to work.

I've read so many different reviews, and most people seem to like it but it's kinds of hit or miss as far as I can tell.

 

[balboa270]

is worth the money we aint talkin andormass

 

[Zeek]

Any more opinions on IGF? I am contemplating running it, but it's really not cheap... And I hate to waste money on a peptide that isn't going to work.

I've read so many different reviews, and most people seem to like it but it's kinds of hit or miss as far as I can tell.

If you are willing to buy the DES version and run it at at least 80mcg per day, I went 100 myself, I can assure you that you will be impressed.

I plan to dabble in some LR3 from our sponsors in the next few weeks. I'll be sure to give input at that time

 

[anewguy]

If you are willing to buy the DES version and run it at at least 80mcg per day, I went 100 myself, I can assure you that you will be impressed.

I plan to dabble in some LR3 from our sponsors in the next few weeks. I'll be sure to give input at that time

yeah zeek, let me know.. I am thinking of trying to use it in chest and biceps, where i'm struggling to grain muscle mass.

 

[Stone]

Any one know of any problems running DES and LR3 together? Specifically on not allowing the other to be as effective?
The best method I've come across is LR3 2x PD w/ DES scheduled around workouts for fast response... This way you're able to keep your levels high w/ the LR3 round the clock, and take advantage of the fast acting nature and benefits of the smaller molecule size of DES.
Yes, pumps will get rediculous... And they are different then an androgen pump... It takes very little to bring them on, and I've never bought the theory of a 'painful' or 'too strong pump' till IGF came in the picture lol.
Overall a great buy that you won't be dissapointed by...

 

[DaHurt]

Yes, pumps will get rediculous... And they are different then an androgen pump... It takes very little to bring them on, and I've never bought the theory of a 'painful' or 'too strong pump' till IGF came in the picture lol.
Overall a great buy that you won't be dissapointed by...

Likewise Stone - I had heard people talk about getting so pumped it was painful and I called bullshit - but then I used DES and I've changed my mind

 

[Zeek]

Don't want to take this IGF thread off topic since it has some good info.

Another thread is up on GH releasing peps if you have something to add there also

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/peptide-science/613633-lets-talk-about-gh-releasing-peps.html

Back to topic, I definitely felt the IGF DES at work. Debating whether to run it again in 3 weeks or switch to LR3 or both hmmmm

 

[Stone]

I'd recommend both Zeek...
One of the best combos I've come across is 4/4 constant cycle. As Follows:
4 days on 60-80mcs of LR3 spaced as closed to 12 hour intervals as you can get... Then 60-100mcs of DES pwo or cardio during those days.
4 days off IGF and on your favorite GH releasing peptide/s.
Serves two purposes. One is too not waste your IGF and maximize it's use as tolerance will build pretty quickly. The other is to keep your pituitary active and releasing GH during the 'off' period by quickly stimulating it w/ GH releasing peptides.
This also keeps GH/IGF levels high to fairly high on a constant basis, and doesn't have the feel of longer cycles... Basically I hate that 'off' period lol...

 

[LOCO_GRINGO]

Do you guys have a sticky or a link having STEP BY STEP instructions on this. Mixing, Shooting? Im a little lost on how you are suppose to inject. Just right into the muscle you just worked out? When you say 50mcg.... I take it 25 in each Bicep? Sorry for the elementary questions.