Keto Diet + Test E and Zero Pumps/Protein Q
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Roush
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The more you dead lift , the more fat you gain , the more your maturity level and IQ goes up . Congrats on all the gains bro
Thank you im very happy with my accomplishments and where i am heading.
Roush
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And I guarantee you , Keto diet is not for either one of us !!
And it's not for OP in its traditional sense either
omgmike1
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U did see that 3J called it ..keto diet... not some other BS?
If I'm doing 250 protein, High fats and very low carb.. Its plain out: KETO STYLE.
I've recently started doing stuff in terms of BB a bit differently than I have usually done and it's with the process of trial and error. When it comes to bulking I tried many diff ways, diff macro combos, some bad people said and some good. I got diff results from each. Same with gym routines and AAS cycles.
After enough trial and error, I really don't find it worth bulking up unless you do a solid clean complex carb/high protein/low-moderate fat DIET and have a 1.5Hour low volume routine with a cycle not consisting of BS 500mg test and 400mg tren, but more like 800-1g of tren and 1g of test.. Seeems like results appear much better. Also, I've been always one to just run same substances for 16 weeks straight, but I do feel adding in 1-2 more through the process helps a lot. Just stuff I learned by trial and error that lots of guys on this forums prob say is non sense. Take it with a grain of salt when u read those articles. 3J really is right on this one...
If I'm doing 250 protein, High fats and very low carb.. Its plain out: KETO STYLE.
I've recently started doing stuff in terms of BB a bit differently than I have usually done and it's with the process of trial and error. When it comes to bulking I tried many diff ways, diff macro combos, some bad people said and some good. I got diff results from each. Same with gym routines and AAS cycles.
After enough trial and error, I really don't find it worth bulking up unless you do a solid clean complex carb/high protein/low-moderate fat DIET and have a 1.5Hour low volume routine with a cycle not consisting of BS 500mg test and 400mg tren, but more like 800-1g of tren and 1g of test.. Seeems like results appear much better. Also, I've been always one to just run same substances for 16 weeks straight, but I do feel adding in 1-2 more through the process helps a lot. Just stuff I learned by trial and error that lots of guys on this forums prob say is non sense. Take it with a grain of salt when u read those articles. 3J really is right on this one...
Roush
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If anything he confused the definition of Ketogenic diet with the Atkins diet. there is a difference. something a diet "guru" should probably know.
not that its that big a deal in the realm of 'meat heads' that make up their own definitions for shit , instead of going by the established scientific and medical definitions.
so go ahead and eat a high protein diet and call it a ketogenic diet if you want cause you make your 'own' rules and ideas. . in the real world though, trying to pass a certification or a college exam , if you don't get the definition of terms correct, you FAIL the exam.
I'm somewhat disappointed 3j did not know the difference between a standard Keto diet and the Atkins diet and said a Keto diet was high protein, but then again I'm guessing he never passed any 'exam' or got his degree in nutrition either (where the correct definition of terms is actually important . on internet forums , definitions obviously mean nothing)
Roush
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i prefer coke zero .. going low carb and trying to stay in ketosis you know.
3J
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lol.. ketogenic dieting is not defined by a ratio.. its defined by the bodies use of fat for fuel instead of glucose... seriously roush quiet down this isn't something to fight about lmao
Roush
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starvation can put you in a state of Ketosis as well , where your body begins using fats as fuel and the brain begins running on Ketones instead of Glucose (because there is no dietary source of fuel) . do we then define "starvation" as being a "ketogenic diet" , just because 'ketosis' is an effect that happens through the process of starvation ?
No , there is a medical definition for "starvation" and a separate definition for "Ketogenic diet". Heck even diabetics can end up in such deep 'ketosis' that they become overly acidic and can die (Ketoacidosis). Just because they go "Keto" does not mean they are on the , medically and nutritionally defined "Ketogenic diet".
hey its just my thought that Terms should be universal and communication is much easier when we all stick to the same basic definition of these terms. when one persons definition is different then another persons definition it gets pretty difficult
99% of the literature out there defines a ketogenic diet (in regards to macros) as a diet with little to no carbs, HIGH fat , and moderate to low amounts of protein . which results in Ketosis.
but again, if the OP wants to do a higher protein diet with low carbs , and he pisses on a paper stick that tells him he is in ketosis for a day,, then he eats a slight excess of protein that gets converted to glucose and he is no longer in ketosis,, i suppose he can call that a "ketogenic diet" , even though if you looked at his macros and ratios its not at all similar to the standard defined Ketogenic diet. he can call it what he wants, he's entitled to that . but would help if we all stuck to the standard definition of terms , rather then just our own opinions
3J
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Starvation isn't a diet.. Its the act of not eating.. Notice now I used the word diet? Lol.. Do you need a time out? Are you on tren or something?
starvation can put you in a state of Ketosis as well , where your body begins using fats as fuel and the brain begins running on Ketones instead of Glucose (because there is no dietary source of fuel) . do we then define "starvation" as being a "ketogenic diet" , just because 'ketosis' is an effect that happens through the process of starvation ?
No , there is a medical definition for "starvation" and a separate definition for "Ketogenic diet". Heck even diabetics can end up in such deep 'ketosis' that they become overly acidic and can die (Ketoacidosis). Just because they go "Keto" does not mean they are on the , medically and nutritionally defined "Ketogenic diet".
hey its just my thought that Terms should be universal and communication is much easier when we all stick to the same basic definition of these terms. when one persons definition is different then another persons definition it gets pretty difficult
99% of the literature out there defines a ketogenic diet (in regards to macros) as a diet with little to no carbs, HIGH fat , and moderate to low amounts of protein . which results in Ketosis.
but again, if the OP wants to do a higher protein diet with low carbs , and he pisses on a paper stick that tells him he is in ketosis for a day,, then he eats a slight excess of protein that gets converted to glucose and he is no longer in ketosis,, i suppose he can call that a "ketogenic diet" , even though if you looked at his macros and ratios its not at all similar to the standard defined Ketogenic diet. he can call it what he wants, he's entitled to that . but would help if we all stuck to the standard definition of terms , rather then just our own opinions
3J
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Calling starvation a diet or anything relative to this debate is not rational.. Instead you're using a red herring to further your argument.. A fallacy of debate. Wuuusaaaaa brother.. Rub your ear.. Relax.. We get where you are coming from.. Remember this is a bodybuilding forum. We don't care about keto for the flimsy
Roush
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i agree. again thats why i suggested OP just drop the idea that he needs to stay in ketosis and that he should go higher protein and do a standard body builder cut diet.
that was my and megatrons advice to begin with. I was just trying to explain to OP what a 'standard" medically defined ketogenic diet is and really he does not need to mess with it
omgmike1
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Roush,
Who is agreeing with u on this thread, any1? I went to the store and couldn't find any ketone meters.
Just blood glucose stuff, I was meaning to ask if that can work to show if I'm in ketosis maybe? I'd buy one and take a pic for u on 250g of protein so the proof is flat out there and u can show ur 10,000 scientists claims that they are full on BS.
I don't even get too what your trying to prove here....U do understand that every person that does the keto diet as a bodybuilder will only act to drop the carbs super low and keep all else high. Search any forums, BBing forums..not some health junky ones..
They ALL state it's keto and so does 3J and I'm sure every one else with a solid rep on here would agree with us. Your beyond over looking it and .7g of protein cutting down is the joke of the year man.
Who is agreeing with u on this thread, any1? I went to the store and couldn't find any ketone meters.
Just blood glucose stuff, I was meaning to ask if that can work to show if I'm in ketosis maybe? I'd buy one and take a pic for u on 250g of protein so the proof is flat out there and u can show ur 10,000 scientists claims that they are full on BS.
I don't even get too what your trying to prove here....U do understand that every person that does the keto diet as a bodybuilder will only act to drop the carbs super low and keep all else high. Search any forums, BBing forums..not some health junky ones..
They ALL state it's keto and so does 3J and I'm sure every one else with a solid rep on here would agree with us. Your beyond over looking it and .7g of protein cutting down is the joke of the year man.
3J
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yea
but he doesn't need to come off keto.. lol
