Liver Protection

[hhajdo]

Ursodeoxycholic acid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12904107&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9487641&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10506840&dopt=Abstract

 

[ulter]

Glucorell and Tylers has dropped more liver values for people on AS, on the boards, than any other combination I have seen. People write to us and post how their liver values returned to normal WHILE STILL ON 17AA'S by the 2nd week on a regular basis.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Milk Thistle has been proven to improve liver values.

You can get milk thistle, plus the active ingredients in Tylers plus the active ingredients in Liv 42 plus r-ala in Protein Factory's "POST-CYCLE."

 

[Drveejay11]

Ursodeoxycholic acid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12904107&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9487641&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10506840&dopt=Abstract

Very promissing stuff..........gotta take the following into consideration though:

Action

It suppresses hepatic synthesis & secretion of cholesterol & also inhibits intestinal absorption of cholesterol. In addition, it also solubilizes cholesterol in micelles & causes dispersion of cholesterol as liquid crystals in aqueous media. Overall, it makes the bile conducive to cholesterol stones dissolution.


Interactions

Chenodeoxycholic acid should not be used with drugs, such as oestrogenic hormones, that increase bile cholesterol. Concomitant administration with bile-acid binding drugs including antacids, charcoal, and cholestyramine should be avoided since this may reduce the effectiveness of therapy with chenodeoxycholic acid.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Bump....^^^^

 

[Fender]

I use Tyler's, Glucerell, and Milk Thistle and never have a problem with my liver values...even though I take up to 1800mgs a day of Advil for a screwed up shoulder that I am FINALLY going to get looked at. I don't know if Milk Thistle words or not but it's cheap and mixed with the other supps. I take, my results are good.
By the way Macro...I buy all my stuff from "The AF Store"
<<end shameless plug>>

 

[Drveejay11]

I use Tyler's, Glucerell, and Milk Thistle and never have a problem with my liver values...even though I take up to 1800mgs a day of Advil for a screwed up shoulder that I am FINALLY going to get looked at.

YES....get your shoulder "looked at" and........switch to healthy alternative solutions for your anti-inflammatory concerns:

Turmeric, Boswellin & ginger root in conjuction with Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Sulfate and MSM do wonders debilitated/painful/arthritic joints (along with Flax and Fish oil) and have MANY additional POSITIVE effects other than their primary focus of joint support.

 

[Fender]

YES....get your shoulder "looked at" and........switch to healthy alternative solutions for your anti-inflammatory concerns:

Turmeric, Boswellin & ginger root in conjuction with Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Sulfate and MSM do wonders debilitated/painful/arthritic joints (along with Flax and Fish oil) and have MANY additional POSITIVE effects other than their primary focus of joint support.

I hear ya Doc...I went to my Primary Care Doc about 6 months ago and he said it's probably bursitis (sp?) and told me to take ibprofen but it didn't really work until I upped the dosage to 1200 mgs a day. I finally made an appoinment with an orthopedic surgeon because I know what prolonged long use of advil can potentially do to the liver.
Thanks for the response...I'm going to look into the Turmeric, Boswellin & ginger root...I'm already taking Glucosamine and Chondroitin.

 

[Drveejay11]

I finally made an appoinment with an orthopedic surgeon because I know what prolonged long use of advil can potentially do to the liver.

Atta boy!! Great Decision.

Thanks for the response...I'm going to look into the Turmeric, Boswellin & ginger root...I'm already taking Glucosamine and Chondroitin.

MSM is an excellent adjunt to the Glucosamine and Chondroitin

 

[Fender]

MSM is an excellent adjunt to the Glucosamine and Chondroitin

Doc...what's a recommended daily dose of MSM??

 

[Drveejay11]

2-3 grams day (depends on the condition)

I take this stuff religiously (6 caps/day split in 3 doses): http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/browse/sku_detail.jhtml?SkuID=149411

It's the cheapest (quality brand) I have found where chondroitin, glucosamine and MSM are ALL ingredients in the same cap.

 

[uff]

liv 52 is a controled substance in the uk now and the chemist i spoke to said that milk thistle is no good for protecting your liver

 

[phatboy]

ive been told by my doc that otc liver protectants do little if anything. he also said it depends on the individual and you cant expect otc remedies to be effective when using strong chemicals like steroids. he's anti steroids, but he makes alot of sense.

 

[thejpman]

ok I see plenty of answer here that's cool but what are the dosage you take guys ? for all those stuff liv 52, milk thistle, ala ect...

 

[Slick Arrado]

I prefer Liv-52.

 

[joshhutch]

natural shit,choline and inositol,lecithin,and vitamin k

 

[durabol]

Yo SB , I totally disagree 100%
Show me your proof on this. Please back-up your statement.

Check out post #37 in this thread.......

Jacobs et al. Milk thistle for the treatment of liver disease: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Am J Med 2002 Oct 15;113(6):506-15

PURPOSE: We performed a systematic review of the literature to determine the efficacy and safety of milk thistle for the treatment of liver disease.

METHODS: blah, blah....Outcomes of primary interest included mortality, histological findings on liver biopsy specimens, serum aminotransferase and albumin levels, and prothrombin times.

RESULTS: Fourteen trials met inclusion criteria. Four trials reported outcomes for mortality among 433 participants. The overall summary odds ratio for mortality in the milk thistle group compared with placebo was 0.8 (0.5 to 1.5; P = 0.6.....not significant!).
Three trials assessed histology on liver biopsy; study quality was inversely associated with the likelihood of histological benefit for milk thistle compared with placebo.
There were no differences in serum ALT, AST, albumin levels, or prothrombin times, among participants assigned to milk thistle compared with those assigned to placebo.
The only statistically significant difference was a greater reduction in ALT levels among patients with chronic liver disease assigned to milk thistle (-9 IU/L, 95% CI: -18 to -1 IU/L; P = 0.05), but this reduction was of negligible clinical importance and no longer statistically significant after limiting analyses to studies of longer duration or of higher quality.
The frequency of adverse effects was low and, in clinical trials, indistinguishable from placebo.

CONCLUSION: Treatment with milk thistle appears to be safe and well tolerated. We found no reduction in mortality, in improvements in histology at liver biopsy, or in biochemical markers of liver function among patients with chronic liver disease.
Data are too limited to exclude a substantial benefit or harm of milk thistle on mortality, and also to support recommending this herbal compound for the treatment of liver disease.

There's all the proof you need that it doesnt work. You can search all you want, you wont find better evidence.
Meta-analyses are at the top at the hierarchy of evidence, so dont waste your time looking for RCT's, observational studies, or case reports.
Find a meta-analysis that proves it works (which you wont), then I will agree.

 

[phillybig04]

How often and how much do you take of ALA?

 

[Westsidebuilder]

Where do you have MEPASIL? Its the ultimate liver protection.
Its manufactored in sweden by astra Zeneca and is for pepole with very serious liver problems like hepatitis-B and A.

 

[caladin]

TMG 500MG /Day

ALA 500MG /Day

Milk Thistle 1000MG / Day