M1T.......what is this ?

[Stone]

The thing is; if this stuff were any good, don't you think he pharmeceutical companies would be selling it? People forget that pro-hormones have been around for 30 years but the drug companies never picked up on them because the side effects outweighed the benefits.

Good point Nelson. I am on day four @ 25mg a day and I have to say that I am impressed, but not blown away. This stuff seems to have more sides than it is worth, really. I really havn't seen any effects that couldn't be better achieved with a well planned cycle, only with less sides.

I have noticed a slight strength increase, better pumps (but not as extremes as some have seen, maybe in time), and most of all a few lb increase while getting extremely hard.

On the downside I have noticed it to be a little more toxic feeling than I think it's worth. Not much decrease in hunger, but I'm actually hoping for that because I'm trying this before starting a cutter. But the worst is the bloat, it's like none I've had before. I know it's not estrogen related, but it's almost worse. My stomach feels bloated like I'm bulking, but I'm at maintenance calories right now. On the plus side I notice no acne, and I usually break out pretty bad when starting dbol.

Nelson, simply because the law doesn't cover M1T as a steroid, doesn't mean it isn't one. Those laws were made years ago, and 1-test is one chemical step from a "steroid", yet the product I'm taking is the one I want to be active. It's not a crapshoot like a prohormone is. I'm not taking some androgens that are similar to the ones I want to be, and hoping that they convert properly, while everything else goes bouncing down the chemical line and out. A very minor alteration to existing laws and 1-test would be illegal.

My point is that I don't feel this is the miracle some have claimed, but it's not as worthless as you would like to believe. You've been offered a free sample, and If you don't wish to give it a run more power too you. But occasionally a supplement company will stumble onto a good product, and just cause most legal hormones suck doesn't mean they all do.

BTW I'm using underground labs 5mg tabs


-Stone

 

[Nelson Montana]

Feel free. I would be happy to work with you.

As far as a double blind, clinical study, I am sorry to say, but we are only a fledgling company, and to do a clinical study of that type is not cheap. Besides, to be honest, I feel no matter how we did it, Nelson, you would shoot holes in the testing protocol, or way it was done rather than admit you may be wrong.

I have made my offer, you declined, and are unwilling to have anyone you train try it..so that leaves me with very few options.

Thephantom, I appreciate you being willing to try it, and still hold the same offer to all mods here that think "Prohormones are useless". I am eager to make some believers.

Not true.

I'm not trying to find flaws just for the hell of it. But Geez, how many times do we have to see another update of the same failed product before enough is enough? Through the last fifteen versions everyone said NOW we got it! THIS one really works. And they ever do.

The one guy who insisted it worked for him is 18 years old. Shit, at 18 you grow like a weed no matter what. NOBODY puts on 14 pounds of muscle in two weeks, even with steroids so how am I supposed to take that information objectively? And as mentioned, I also tried 1 test myself and found it to be extremely suppresive.

You must understand, my role in the industry is in part as an advocate. If I honestly don't think something is effective and my personal experience confirms it and the controlled experiences of other concur, what am I supposed to say?

Having said that, if someone wants to try it and is satisfied with the results...great. But I've had this argument with Pat Arnold when he gets on his high horse about all is great acomplishments, to which I ask; What do you say to all the people who've been negitively impacted by all those early experiments? What do you say to the kid with gyno from androsteine? Or the guy with impotence from androdiol? That's why I won't take the chance with my clients. But again, whomever wants to give it a try, go for it. And good luck.

 

[jcp2]

I never understood this, i guess some people don't want to break the law, at least we know the sides of gear, no one ever talks about the sides of prohormones, everyone just thinks they are OK because they are legal. This shit seems to be toxc, am i correct, just shoot a little test.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I never understood this, i guess some people don't want to break the law, at least we know the sides of gear, no one ever talks about the sides of prohormones, everyone just thinks they are OK because they are legal. This shit seems to be toxc, am i correct, just shoot a little test.

This is a good point. Pharmeceautical companies run hundreds of tests on a drug before it's released. What tests have been run on M1T? Any?

Stone: You're making the same mistake that too many others make. You're assuming because something legal I don't think it's as good as a drug and that is DEAD WRONG. On MANY occasions I've encouraged people to use natural alternatives whenever possible. (i,e, SAM-e over bromo. 7 keto over T3, Olive leaf over anti-biotics, "Post-Cycle" over Clomid, Squatting over GH, Dandelion over diuretics, dieting over thermogenics, etc, etc, etc) So using that presumtion is with me is barking up the wrong tree. If anything, I'm probably the biggest proponent of "non-drug use" on this board!

And by the way, my guess as to why you're not getting acne is an increase in estrogen.

 

[Stone]

I can see the concern that this product is basically lest unrestricted on the shelves where any fifteen year old kid could decide to do a year long M1T cycle at 100mg a day. I think the point your missing is that this is a drug albeit legal, not a natural alternative. If anything it's shown itself to be worse than drugs. I agree with you that whenever possible, a homeopathic solution is of course best. And I hope your recomending "post cycle" seeing as how it's your product!

I don't think a fair review of M1T can be made when you've only used 1-test. I've used both and find M1T to be FAR more effective. After all, you said that non-17aa Dbol (basically Eq) would not be effective orally, so why wouldn't this hold true with 1-test? Congratulations on being the biggest proponent of "non-drug use" on a steroid chat board, we need more objective viewers.

I did have problems breaking out on 1-test base, but not on M1T. I attributed this to a considerably smaller dose of a DHT based androgen with the methylated version. I was under the impression that 1-test had no pathways to estrogen, so could you explain why it is you think some of the sides are estrogen related. 25 mg wouldn't cause that much of a jump in natural estrogen, or does this stuff convert after all?

 

[Stone]

^

 

[mrwis2010]

I think this is a load of crap, i would never take that shit, i am going to stick with the illegal stuff

 

[Wardog]

Perhaps you should check out the VIDA before you dismiss it as a load of crap

 

[Ross C Harris]

I find that just busting my ass on the weights also gives gains.No side effects but pain. I admit I'm afraid of side effects my shit shrinking don't interest me. No offence just opinion

 

[Sir Foxx]

Pat Arnold wrote that mg for mg, M-1-T was more potent then Tren, Dianabol or Anadrol, but was also more toxic then these too.

The stuff is for real. Don't listen to Nelson, everytime the discussion turns to true scientific discussion he gets owned on every board he posts on, then he disappears.

 

[hornedfrogs07]

Pat Arnold wrote that mg for mg, M-1-T was more potent then Tren, Dianabol or Anadrol, but was also more toxic then these too.

The stuff is for real. Don't listen to Nelson, everytime the discussion turns to true scientific discussion he gets owned on every board he posts on, then he disappears.

OOOOOHHHH, DIRTY. and uncalled for at this point, but I'm beginning to change my mind.....Oh well:

Nelson, "that 18 year old kid" has been training for 7 years, the last 4 -5 as hardcore as ANYBODY, and had been stuck fluctuating between 185 and 190, with no size or strength gains in a full year. My weight and size had not increased since the middle of my senior year of high school, and they ballooned one hell of a lot in the 3 weeks I was on m1t. I've been training for long enough that the fact I'm 18 doesn't matter in being able to make quick gains. I have to work just as hard or harder as any of you older people in order to make any semblance of gains. The stuff is FOR REAL.

 

[Golgo13]

Bump... This is not only an important topic in a forum that discuss legal compounds, but probably one of the most productive discussions on M1T I have found anywhere.

I started the perscribed 2 week cycle yesterday 10mg per day. I will post results in THIS thread.

 

[performance_issues]

Bump... This is not only an important topic in a forum that discuss legal compounds, but probably one of the most productive discussions on M1T I have found anywhere.

I started the perscribed 2 week cycle yesterday 10mg per day. I will post results in THIS thread.

good i will post my cycle results once post cycle therapy (pct) is over but so far its been an interesting 2 weeks

 

[hornedfrogs07]

Well, my first round of post cycle therapy (pct) and cutting is over, and Nelson, I'm only down 6 pounds (206-207). Nolva and clen, cutter for post cycle therapy (pct). Water retention gone, I still only lost 6 pounds.

 

[Golgo13]

So whats the net gain?

 

[ronmolina]

Well I just finish taking M1T a week ago. I gained 12lbs in two weeks. Most was water and nothing else. So far in post I have lost 7lbs and am still eating like a hog to try and save some gains. In two more weeks I will do a detailed post here of my day by day logs. I had blood test prior to, right after and will again in two more weeks. So far I am not impressed. It appears to be over hyped bull with horrible sides.

 

[performance_issues]

Well I just finish taking M1T a week ago. I gained 12lbs in two weeks. Most was water and nothing else. So far in post I have lost 7lbs and am still eating like a hog to try and save some gains. In two more weeks I will do a detailed post here of my day by day logs. I had blood test prior to, right after and will again in two more weeks. So far I am not impressed. It appears to be over hyped bull with horrible sides.

personally i think that u are wrong and how much were using to get horrible sides. My sides @ 10mg a day for 2 weeks were lethargy and feeling really tired besides a lot of water retention but that to me isnt really anything i was up 10lbs or so kept my strength gains through post cycle therapy (pct) obvouisly dropped the water wieght but i was looking for strength not mass. I took nolva for post cycle therapy (pct) and milk thistle and saw palmetto throughout the cycle. If u were expecting a miracle drug this isnt it but for decent size and strength gains this is the shit or at least thats how i see it

 

[ronmolina]

I doubt seriously I am wrong as I keep very detailed logs and use a number of measuring devices and techniques. I am not naive enough to have though that this was some miracle drug. I have been weight training for 40 years and tried about every thing one can image. I saw zero increases in strength. I gained mostly water weight. This mornings weigh in indicates overall all I am up about 5.5lbs which is what I should be up if I had not taken M1-T. My body composition measurements so far strongly suggest at 10mg of M1-T I had zero favorable effect. I am waiting two more weeks to see exactly what the results are because I am currently in post. The biggest negative is lethargy. If you cant perform well training then whats the point of taking M1-T? As far as I am concerned none.

 

[houseman]

After 3 weeks (into my last week) of m-1-t at 20MG ED I can say I've experienced strength increases.

My tell tale sign was last week when doing chest. I worked out at a new shitty gym that had these old DB's with knobs on the end which made it hard to do incline and kick the weight up because these knobs were digging into my knees. When ya got 140's on your knees.. it hurt like a biotch!

Anyway... after struggling with thise for 4 sets I went on over to Dips. last Tuesday I weighed in at 307 (12lbs heavier from when I started). At bodyweight I was rrepping for 15 so I added a 25lbs DB between my legs and did 3 sets of 10 reps @332lbs.

Looking around when I was done to find another exercise (did I mention shitty gym yet?) I decided to do flat bench... an exercise I not done in over a year and a half.

Having already exhausted myself like I had.. I didn't figure there was much chance in putting up 300 but lo and behold I worked my way up to 300 for 7 reps.

To me.. wha makes me believe it was the m-1-t working was the fact my calories were VERY LOW. I had a meeting that lasted pretty much all day that day and I was only able to eat twice before worked out. I couldn't have had more than 1000 calories in me by that point.

For the first couple weeks I assumed the strength gains were in my head. After last Tuesday... I can't say that anymore.

HTH.

A

 

[ronmolina]

My cycle may very well have been to short.