My Pinnacle experience

[shenky]

Bloodwork could also exclude crashed E2.

I stupidly took too much of Pinn's letro once, and bottomed out. (And I mean, I really overdid it on the dosing while just running TRT test). The point being, for about three weeks I had no gains and couldn't feel the test and had no libido and no weight gain, etc. If OP is a strong responder to his Aromatase inhibitor (AI), this could be what's happening.

I'm not experienced like the rest of you guys, but this is plausible?

This is very possible. Crashed E2 could certainly inhibit gains and libido. My AI dosage was conservative @ .25mg liquidex eod, sometimes e3d.

 

[shenky]

Sorry to hear of your experience shenky. The bloodtest would of Atleast gave a confirmation on the prop. If the prop was good then you could look at things other than the gear for the problem. Just on prop you would have strength and weight gain. It's hard to bulk and stay lean unless you don't expect much gain. Ive seen alot of bb in the gym bulking in offseason and there anything but lean. Take some time reflect and reasess what you want to do.

Word. When I bulk, I just accept I will get a little pudgy. I shed fat like butter when I put my mind to it, so I don't trip. My pants sometimes rip and my endurance suffers, but it's always worth it. But yeah, I think my next bulk cycle, I'm going to incorporate some dirty meals into my meal plan..like 1 a day . Sounds like a suicide mission, but it's a lot of work making every meal clean and still hitting 600 over maintanance. The weeks I didn't gain anything, I skipped a meal here and there because I just couldn't get it down. Then I bought a weight gain meal replacement and all was well.

 

[Austinite]

No. Crashed e2 hindering gains is negligible. If it's noticeable it is due to the side effects hindering progress/mentality. Not physical impact.

Doesn't really matter without blood work. Still a guessing game.

 

[smittiot]

OMG, that's exactly how I pictured you! Freaky.

Well they say the bigger the nose the bigger the....

 

[tigre81]

I just got my pinnacle prop and npp in. I would sure like to see bloodwork.

It is true that this is the only site that doesnt trash pinnacle. Having said that, I have used 400mg their test e and have gotten bloodwork. I also have friends who have used pinns test, tbol, clomid and nolva with no complaints

 

[p91swat]

Iam no pinnacle supporter but you also said u used naps test cyp and it also did not work. just get a blood test for your own piece of mind. chances are next time you get pharm grade test from walgreens and get the same effects.

by getting a bloodwork not only will you be helping your self but everyone else as well.

also did you try the sub q shots?

u never answered my pm

 

[shenky]

Iam no pinnacle supporter but you also said u used naps test cyp and it also did not work. just get a blood test for your own piece of mind. chances are next time you get pharm grade test from walgreens and get the same effects.

by getting a bloodwork not only will you be helping your self but everyone else as well.

also did you try the sub q shots?

u never answered my pm

I did get blood for the Geneza gear, just not Pinnacle. No, I didn't try sub Q shots because I couldn't find any supporting evidence that this would be effective. In addition, it doesn't make any sense simply because subcutaneous injections would, correct me if I'm wrong, slow the rate of absorption?

 

[KingBeastMode]

Preface: Yes, I know this will be an unpopular thread on this forum. Many members have had great experiences with Pinn's gear, and, in addition, Pinn is a major sponsor on this board. Never the less, I feel that this forum should remain unbiased and impartial. I have nothing to gain or lose from praising Pinnacle, or otherwise.

This is just my personal experience with their gear; I'm not discounting anyone else's experiences, nor am I bashing Pinnacle. i'm sure they have or had good gear. I personally, however, would not recommend their NPP.

After a disappointing venture with Geneza's test cyp, I decided to try Pinnacle. Since joining, I've been very active on this forum, and Pinnacle's name is never shed in a negative light, so I gave it a go. After 2.5 weeks on their test prop, and really not experiencing any effects characteristic of prop dosed @ 150mg EOD, I decided to add in the NPP, also dosed at 150mg EOD. After 14 days, I've experienced no effects characteristic of nandralone, and I mean nothing. I'm gaining weight, but only the amount I was gaining natty on my bulk (4,000 cals/day...about 1/2 pound a week). My strength has not increased, nor have my pumps, vascularity, lubrication of joints, no impressive recovery.


I waited 14 days to make the thread because it's about 3 half lives which is when I should be in full swing.

Personally I will not be returning to Pinnacle, and I don't recommend any Pinn customers order their NPP. If something changes in my cycle, and something changes, I'll make another thread and amend this one.

Let the flaming begin...

Well everybody reacts differently to aas.. Especially NPP,Deca or tren.. But that being said.. Im running their NPP.. And i have leaned out n my arms exploded!! And this is my results thus far.. I didnt notice anything until about week 6, just patience man.. Also how is ur diet? Ur training? And your sleep? These all place factors.. U are not gonna blow up every night.. Shit ive been on cycle since the spring with them havnt came off.. Just ran stuff each month.. But i started their npp in sept, and i gained some weight while staying lean.. Running it at 500 a week, al their primo low dose for libido and 1g test, and u cant blame the test for my gains bcz i usually use test anywhere from 1,500-2g a week.. So this is low dose for my test, their are alot of factors maybe ur hody just doesnt work well with it.. Shit have had friends all take tren with me once.. All the same batch! 3/5 of us blew up gained lean weight, 1 of them just lost alot of weight and the other guy looked the same.. Key factors in that was how your body processes the substance, as well as their diet, training and rest, even if your stressed in your normal life u will affect alot..

Aas are not no miracle drug that you take and wake up like jay cutler nor will it be!! Theirs alot that has to be done, the aas is the ez part of the cycle.. Anyone can inject it takes meal prepping, training and sleep to create the monsters,

You do not grow in the gym!! You grow while resting!

 

[shenky]

Well everybody reacts differently to aas.. Especially NPP,Deca or tren.. But that being said.. Im running their NPP.. And i have leaned out n my arms exploded!! And this is my results thus far.. I didnt notice anything until about week 6, just patience man.. Also how is ur diet? Ur training? And your sleep? These all place factors.. U are not gonna blow up every night.. Shit ive been on cycle since the spring with them havnt came off.. Just ran stuff each month.. But i started their npp in sept, and i gained some weight while staying lean.. Running it at 500 a week, al their primo low dose for libido and 1g test, and u cant blame the test for my gains bcz i usually use test anywhere from 1,500-2g a week.. So this is low dose for my test, their are alot of factors maybe ur hody just doesnt work well with it.. Shit have had friends all take tren with me once.. All the same batch! 3/5 of us blew up gained lean weight, 1 of them just lost alot of weight and the other guy looked the same.. Key factors in that was how your body processes the substance, as well as their diet, training and rest, even if your stressed in your normal life u will affect alot..

Aas are not no miracle drug that you take and wake up like jay cutler nor will it be!! Theirs alot that has to be done, the aas is the ez part of the cycle.. Anyone can inject it takes meal prepping, training and sleep to create the monsters,

You do not grow in the gym!! You grow while resting!

I agree with everything you said, but because you did not read through the thread, you repeated what was been said several times, and did not consider my responses to each of those replies.

 

[3rdinfintry]

I just got my pinnacle prop and npp in. I would sure like to see bloodwork.

It is true that this is the only site that doesnt trash pinnacle. Having said that, I have used 400mg their test e and have gotten bloodwork. I also have friends who have used pinns test, tbol, clomid and nolva with no complaints

That was one of my concerns as well, I see so many other sites bashing them.

I also didnt feel comfortable with their email replies and/or payment methods.

 

[shenky]

That was one of my concerns as well, I see so many other sites bashing them.

I also didnt feel comfortable with their email replies and/or payment methods.

There is IMO nothing wrong with either of these qualities in Pinn. At least for now, anyway; I don't see the security ofwire transfers lasting much longer.

 

[3rdinfintry]

There is IMO nothing wrong with either of these qualities in Pinn. At least for now, anyway; I don't see the security ofwire transfers lasting much longer.

It wasnt the wire transfer that bothered me the most. It was the person answering the emails that couldnt give me a simple answer on a question.

I wanted to know if the proviron was liquid or pill.. As the site says pill but shows it in liquid form. It took 3 emails back and forth and I still was not given a definite answer.

That left a bad taste in my mouth so I decided to not do business with them.

 

[p91swat]

so THE GEAR FROM GENEZA WAS FAKE? when did you purchase the test cyp from theme?

 

[kingsfandave]

Geneza and pinnacle are nothing to brag about..

Geneza I found to be very inconsistent

Pinnacle wasnt that bad about 2 years ago but they have lost it. Many complaints

There were many threads here at ology that mentions pinnacles issues. I wonder where they went

 

[noway55]

I have never used pinnacle labs so I don't really care that you're not happy with them. Your gear may indeed be bunk, but I'll just offer you my 2 cents.

After a few weeks on test p, you should definitely see something. Hell, sometimes I get insanely horny after pinning test e. It's similar with the NPP, maybe a bit longer but you should see something by now.

Now, having said that, I don't know what your usage history is and I briefly glanced through your posts in this thread to see if it was discussed, but I couldn't find it. 150 eod of both is by no means a daring cycle. Yes it's a bit higher than a first cycle, but it's nothing controversial by any means. If you've used before it might just be time to up the dose and that's why you're not getting anything. It's going to take you much longer to see results on a lower dose than on a higher dose. But, the fact you haven't seen something yet is still unsettling.

 

[Mad- scientist]

If some body doesn't get blood work and wants to complain it is a waste of every one's time. I am sorry to tell anybody this but the world is ran on proof not trust. No body is going to trust you if you just say this is under dosed with out any proof. This entire thread is fucked up and pisses me off because it is unfair to a great company. I personally would recommend people just stop posting on it so it go's away. It is not fair to pinnacle to have this in the top of the forum all the time.

Future advice to the original poster. If you feel something is not working or underdosed get proof. Don't just bash a company. It really is pointless without blood work. And for other members who read this I just want them to know. I have personally seen blood tests from friends and trust worthy people who are running pinnacle gear. And it came back with in the right range for the amounts they were injecting each time.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Not to mention people heard me rant and rave about the NPP and Tbol I used from them. And I was not a moderator at the time. I was just a regular member. I say that because lots of people have a weird thought about what a moderator does. It's not a secret society you don't get some super batch of anything. Basically I am saying why in the hell would have I went around raving about pinnacle Tbol and NPP if it didn't work. I would have had no reason.

I personally feel like I have always been a honest straight forward guy on this forum and I think if anyone has read my post's for long enough they would know I am not a liar and I always try to help people. So I just felt the need to try to set things straight to a degree because this fucking thread keeps popping up. I tried to avoid posting on this thread hoping it would go away and not to add fuel to the fire but I just keep seeing it pop back up. So I couldn't avoid saying my part.

 

[Juice Bigalow]

In regards to this thread... I don't have much lifting experience (a year since i started really getting into it)... I tried pinnacles test e at 500MG a week and it might have been to much even.. Shit was working amazing and on week 10 i caught a really bad virus and was sick for a week and at the end of it i was in the hospital with pericarditis... Docs said the testosterone alone couldn't have been the cause.. But who knows, I have a way smaller frame than most so maybe i should have done a lower dose (especially being new to lifting)... What i do know is.. Their test e definitely worked cause i was feeling like superman... I want to give it a second cycle so bad but i cant figure out if the test was a factor in my hospitalization so im not sure what to do. Id imagine that I am but i might only hit 375 a week for 12-14 weeks. It would make sense that a smaller dose for a smaller person be logical. You guys are the experts though so I eagerly await your comments.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I backed up a PSL thread today. Just before I commented on the Pinnacle thread. To be 100 percent honest for the last few days I have been going on a black Friday binger just buying all the discounted items I could ha ha ha ha. So I actually stayed up for two days basically I ended up only getting 45 minutes of sleep in 2 days. So I tried to sign on the forum a few times and I missed what ever threads that were bashing PSL. But I usually chime in on the PSL threads when I get the chance.

I didn't run PSL all the way through my cycle it was a combination of PSL to start it out with and pinnacle I finished it with. And I added in all the pinnacle stuff at week 6 when all the gains were already starting to build up from the PSL Test E. Basically right when the Test e was putting muscle on my frame I hopped on pinnacle Tbol and NPP. And then I later added in Pinnacle test E.

My over all experience with all the products I took yielded a lot of mass though. I went from 205 to 225. I can naturally get to 215 I had just been dealing with some problems and had lost some muscle before I started the cycle.

 

[jSalud]

Not to mention people heard me rant and rave about the NPP and Tbol I used from them. And I was not a moderator at the time. I was just a regular member. I say that because lots of people have a weird thought about what a moderator does. It's not a secret society you don't get some super batch of anything. Basically I am saying why in the hell would have I went around raving about pinnacle Tbol and NPP if it didn't work. I would have had no reason.

I personally feel like I have always been a honest straight forward guy on this forum and I think if anyone has read my post's for long enough they would know I am not a liar and I always try to help people. So I just felt the need to try to set things straight to a degree because this fucking thread keeps popping up. I tried to avoid posting on this thread hoping it would go away and not to add fuel to the fire but I just keep seeing it pop back up. So I couldn't avoid saying my part.

MS has always been there to help and I would never hesitate to ask this man a question. As a matter of fact I PM'ed him for his opinion regarding PSL before I pulled the trigger on my last cycle. He has no reason to cover anything up. The moderator title of his was earned not given to him because he has been a great contribution to this forum along with Austinite.