Myth debunking thread!

[THE-DET-OAK]

Ok guys/blondie/MM i seem to be getting a lil bored with the same threads popping up over and over. So hopefully we can get this going and mix things up a bit.

Here is what i want to do-I want this thread to be used as a discusssion of what you believe to be a propsed myth. Please be ready to back up your claim, with refferences. So i you have one you think is a myth, Post the Myth and then debunk it. once the majority agrees that it has been debunked. then the person who originally posted the myth should start a new thread summarizing everything we learned-that way when someone tries to spread that Myth, we will have easy access to a thread with all the answers.

If someone wants to claim that the proposed Myth is not a Myth at all-please be ready to back up your arguement with refferences.

If you guys think its lame-let me know and we can watch the thread fade away. I personally think we could all learn a lot. I just feel as if im not learning anything new lately-and i would like to further my eduction in the subject of AAS use.

 

[h4x0l2]

Biggest one that comes to mind: More = More gains


Not true.

 

[Ythrashin]

Biggest one that comes to mind: More = More gains


Not true.

Not acording to this study...
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/153723-300mg-vs-600mg-testosterone.html

But where do you draw the line?

 

[Ythrashin]

BTW...good idea for a thread Oak.

 

[h4x0l2]

Meaning more compounds. It's more likely to lose a lot of the gains after the cycle is finished when using a lot of compounds.

Tbol + dbol + winstrol + deca + test.... you get the idea. It's not productive. I find simple cycles (1-3 compounds) have been the most effective as well as keeping the gains afterward.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

BTW...good idea for a thread Oak.

awesome-im glad some are interested-this should keep us busy for a while-i got a few that i want to talk about-but im gonna keep em in my pocket for a lil

 

[Ythrashin]

Meaning more compounds. It's more likely to lose a lot of the gains after the cycle is finished when using a lot of compounds.

Tbol + dbol + winstrol + deca + test.... you get the idea. It's not productive. I find simple cycles (1-3 compounds) have been the most effective as well as keeping the gains afterward.

I agree 2-3 substances at one time is fine but more/higher dosages of one particular substance does not always mean more gains.

 

[juiceman2027]

Steroids= big cock..small balls....lol

 

[Ythrashin]

Steroids= big cock..small balls....lol

LOL

This is sometimes true...

My erections are bigger/fuller while on-cycle and balls stay shrunk unless I run some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) since I'm on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). Dont need em anyway...

 

[h4x0l2]

I agree 2-3 substances at one time is fine but more/higher dosages of one particular substance does not always mean more gains.

It all comes down to amount of experience there. Someone with 20 cycles under their belt would probably be able to drop a gram of test along with dbol and Winstrol (winny) for example and be able to hold the gains. Someone with 2 cycles would probably lose all of it. I italicized... everyone is different.

 

[scotimusprime]

youre not learning anything new oak cuz youre so damn smart already.

anyway my addition is AAS are not magic. do not cycle because your buddy gained 20 lbs of water and "blew up." they are not a shortcut to get you from point a to b without any added effort.

DIET,TRAINING+REST are crucial to making/keeping gains.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Scotty-if you go to watson PHARM site-you will find some info there that backs up your claim 100%-i cant think of a more reputable refference-write up a detailed explaination for us

i would love to have a great thread to attach to the newbie threads of why they are not a magic pill.

 

[MightyMouse9999]

Myth = gyno requires surgery and is irreversible. If caught early enough, letrozole can kill the estro aromotization deep into the breast tissue and rid those lumps in less than two weeks. I speak from experience.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

^^^^ sounds-good you should write a detailed explaination of this with references to back it up-including your experience-so we can refference it

site your protocol-side effects etc etc

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Benzyl Alcohol cause's injection site pain.

I beleive this to be a myth. From what I have found, it is actually used in the medical field to reduce injection pain, because of its antisceptic properties.

Defintion

benzyl alcohol
[ben′zil]
a clear, colorless, oily liquid, derived from certain balsams, used as a topical anesthetic and as a bacteriostatic agent in solutions for injection. Also called phenyl carbinol, phenyl methanol.


Here is a few links where it is used to decrease injection pain.

Bacteriostatic saline containing benzyl alcohol de... [Anesth Analg. 2005] - PubMed result

Benzyl alcohol with epinephrine as an alternative ... [J Emerg Med. 2001] - PubMed result

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10216324

Benzyl alcohol attenuates the pain of lidocaine in... [J Dermatol Surg Oncol. 1994] - PubMed result

These studies showed that injecting BA actually reduced pain.

and lastly

"Another common solvent used as a preservative in anabolic steroid and other IM injection preparations, is benzyl alcohol (BA). At high concentrations, BA will cause injection pain in the vast majority of users. However in concentrations <10% BA, most will experience little discomfort due to BA. Many people claim that underground laboratories that make injectable anabolic steroids in a non-regulated manner use high BA percentages in their products such as testosterone propionate which is why users experience pain. However, as explained here and in point 2(iii), the BA is unlikely to be the cause of pain. This is why it should be noted that in actual fact, many pharmaceutical preparations contain higher than expected amounts of BA in them. deca-Pronabol, a pharmaceutically produced form of nandrolone decanoate, contains 9% BA and users generally report no pain associated with its injection. Some preparations of sustanon-250 by established pharmaceutical companies are made with 10% BA (0.1ml BA per 1.0ml ampoule). However, many would here argue that sustanon-250 is a sore injection for many. Despite this, when one looks at the make-up of the active ingredients of sustanon-250, we see a combined testosterone propionate and phenylpropionate amount of roughly 100mg/ml. For reasons discussed in part 2(iii), we may safely assume that the pain is more likely to occur due to the high concentration of these short esters, as opposed to merely high BA concentration. However, it is worth remembering that everyone reacts differently to various solvents and 10% BA may not cause pain for many users, but it will cause soreness for a significant percentage of other users. Other solvents within the preparation apart from the ones outlined here can also contribute or cause injection pain; however the ones discussed are the most significant in the context of anabolic steroid preparations."

I find it hard to believe that these UGL's are using anymore than 10% BA in their solutions. So I have came to the conclusion that the high BA excuse is totally bogus-and we need to look at the other factors that are most likely causing the pain.

 

[drewbolic]

Oral only cycles are a good alternative to injections.=MYTH
Common this is done bc some dont want to go with the needle for whatever reason.Although there is some reports of minors keep able gains orals like drols and dbol are surpressive to HPTA and majority of gains are water retention and not keepable.
Always run test as a base.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Oral only cycles are a good alternative to injections.=MYTH
Common this is done bc some dont want to go with the needle for whatever reason.Although there is some reports of minors keep able gains orals like drols and dbol are surpressive to HPTA and majority of gains are water retention and not keepable.
Always run test as a base.

not to mention that everything works synergistically with test. you should try to put together a nice lengthy write up drew

 

[AnabolicLove]

I must be one of those few people who experience little pain. The only thing I've pinned thus far has been Test E. I've pinned two different brands so far with very, very little to -no- pain what so ever. I feel the slightest pinch when I stick the needle in, and after that it's all good. The only muscle soreness I experience never lasts more than a few hours at most. If I have any soreness at all, it's completely gone by the time I wake up the next day.

My next cycle will include Sustanate though. So I guess I'll see if I'm really immune to aas pain or not!

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

I must be one of those few people who experience little pain. The only thing I've pinned thus far has been Test E. I've pinned two different brands so far with very, very little to -no- pain what so ever. I feel the slightest pinch when I stick the needle in, and after that it's all good. The only muscle soreness I experience never lasts more than a few hours at most. If I have any soreness at all, it's completely gone by the time I wake up the next day.

My next cycle will include Sustanate though. So I guess I'll see if I'm really immune to aas pain or not!

prop seperates the men from the boys when it comes to pain.. and in that case i must be a baby because that shit cripples me..

 

[AnabolicLove]

not to mention that everything works synergistically with test. you should try to put together a nice lengthy write up drew

lol, I hope you're not the only one who is gonna write up lengthy explanations. I've seen you ask several people to do this so far.

I wish I knew more about AAS, I'd write somethin up!