newbie needs help

[Azzurri]

I've been reading around for a good first cycle and i just don't know what to do. I've read so many and i'm not to sure which will suit me and my goals. I wanted to know if you guy could help me. I'm 23 years, 6 foot 3" and weight about 180. I wanted to gain strenght and about 10 pounds, with little to no water retention, and low sides especially when it comes to my hair line. Also i want to stay away from Winstrol (winny) due to a bad knee.(dont want the joint problems involved) Lastly since it is my first i didnt want to run it for to long.
Thanks in advance for any help..

 

[DJ_rockett]

first cycle i did was 500mg/ml test cyp /week for 8 weeks followed by clomid after week 10

great gains and no sides

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I'd say Test Enanthate or Cypionate @ 400 mg/week for 8-10 weeks.

 

[bigdaddy22]

I would also say test enanthate @ 400mg/wk and eq @400mg/wk. Water retention may be a lil problem though

 

[brooklynheight]

How long have you been training?

At 23 I weighed about 220 lbs...spent a few years
training naturally and got up to 235 naturally..

Im in the middle of my first cycle and am up to 250 lbs...and
still low body fat...

dont give up..its not easy gaing muscle as tall as we are but you can do it!

 

[JohnnyB]

How long you been training?

JohnnyB

 

[ironmaster]

The "text book" beginner's cycle is test/deca/dbol. As DD said, if you can't grow on that, you can't grow on anything. Water retention is easily handled with ancillaries.......and all steroids have potential side effects. You just got to decide personally if it's worth the risk.

 

[JohnnyB]

That's more of a third cycle. What if he's prone to gyno and doesn't know it. He won't know from which one he's getting the gyno from, the test d-bol or the deca. He won't know weather to take an anti-e or something for progestorone.

He has virgin receptors, he doesn't need to much or to many drugs. All the extra drugs could do is cause side effects. I know that's what anti-e's and bromo are for, but if he use an anti-e that hinders gains and causes his lipid profile to change for the worst he's just adding another side effect and defeating the purpose of having extra drugs in his system.

If he starts with test only adds deca on the second, he'll know how his body reacts to then individually. If he has no sides with test he'll know that his body reacts well to test. Then adds the deca and all goes well he knows his body reacts to deca well. Then he can add the d-bol, then on his forth he can up the doses if he needs to.

JohnnyB

 

[Eze]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8795

Remember this thread?

 

[BowlingForSoup]

I'm about to go on my first in a week and I'm just doing dbol/Test Cyp. I wanted to keep the number of compounds down to a minimum so I could see exactly how my body reacts to each. Throw a third in there and you'll have difficulty figuring out which you react to best. Dbol's a good jumpstart and if you can't gain off of test, you can't gain. As far as the water retention, pick up some liquidex. That should take care of that problem. I'm hoping to put on a good 10-15 lbs with that. If you want an example of what I'm going to do, here it is:

dbol: 30-35 mgs a day for 4 weeks
Test Cyp: 400mgs a week (mon/thurs)
liquidex: 4ml a day
Nolva: as needed

(both Nolva and Liquidex should aid in any water retention, although with the dose of dbol not being that high...there shouldn't be a problem)

Post Cycle
Clomid: Day 1-300mgs
Days 2-11-100 mgs a day
Days 12-21-50 mgs a day

Hope this helps! Do something kind of close to this and eat like there's no tomorrow and there should be no probs. Although make sure your diet and training are in check before you even consider a cycle. Gain as much as you can naturally, then think about gear if that's what you choose to do.

 

[Eze]

What concentration is your liquidex? 4ml per day sounds like ALOT. Most liquidex I have seen is 4mg/mL or 3mg/mL or 1mg/mL.

 

[bluewizz]

I've been reading around for a good first cycle and i just don't know what to do. I've read so many and i'm not to sure which will suit me and my goals. I wanted to know if you guy could help me. I'm 23 years, 6 foot 3" and weight about 180. I wanted to gain strenght and about 10 pounds, with little to no water retention, and low sides especially when it comes to my hair line. Also i want to stay away from Winstrol (winny) due to a bad knee.(dont want the joint problems involved) Lastly since it is my first i didnt want to run it for to long.
Thanks in advance for any help..

Do 10 weeks test enanthate at 500mg per week. Thats it bro! you dont need anything else. Then use clomid for 3 to 4 weeks starting week 12. Not only will the sides be minimal, you will be able to gain more than 10 pounds of muscle. Believe me you dont need anything else, based on your goal and your current weight. Keep diet very clean but lots of calories + drink lots of water. You do this then I cant see how you could get any significant bloat from 500mg of test enanthate. Whatever bloat you will get from this wont be very noticable and it will only be beneficial, except if you are extremely sensitive and you bloat or get gyno easy....and that is something you need to find out (so ofcourse have nolva ready for emergencies). I have done fina, test, dbol, deca, and proviron before and I have a genetic predisposition to go bald. I was balding before I even started cycling. I honestly have not seen any new hairloss since I started losing hair 3 years ago, even when i have been on cycles! Point being here that I cant see how a 10 week test cycle could do any damadge to hair, even if you are genetically predetermined to go bald. The worst effect of steroids on hair is that it makes the process faster.

So if you are going bald anyways, I would not worry about losing hair becasue of gear. For me, the benefits of 500mg of test per week for 10 weeks outweigh any side effects; but that is assuming you train and eat well ofcourse.

 

[cdog]

I liked test prop with fina worked wonders for me as a first cycle