Oral Anabolic Steroid cycles

i have a trainer friend who is contemplating his first cycle, deathly afraid of needles.

hes thinking an all-oral winny/var stack for 6-8 weeks, i've tried my best on convincing him to throw some test in there

might point him to this thread...
 
i have a trainer friend who is contemplating his first cycle, deathly afraid of needles.

hes thinking an all-oral winny/var stack for 6-8 weeks, i've tried my best on convincing him to throw some test in there

might point him to this thread...

please do.
 
hey im sure im gonna get clowned for asking this, but i AM new to roids. i was recently given some dbol pills & was contemplating using em for a month. so the question is, if it's just a month cycle do i need to take estrogen antagonists like nolvadex? & run clomid at the end of the cycle? would 1 months worth of dbol produce any bad side effects like gyno? or is that more for people who use roids frequently?

every person i ask seems to have a different opinion. so i was hoping you guys could help me out please :help:
 
hey im sure im gonna get clowned for asking this, but i AM new to roids. i was recently given some dbol pills & was contemplating using em for a month. so the question is, if it's just a month cycle do i need to take estrogen antagonists like nolvadex? & run clomid at the end of the cycle? would 1 months worth of dbol produce any bad side effects like gyno? or is that more for people who use roids frequently?

every person i ask seems to have a different opinion. so i was hoping you guys could help me out please :help:

You won't get clowned. Just gtfo. That means NO, don't run dbol for one month.

Unless you like the idea of being shutdown for no reason and no real gains to show for it. Perhaps you enjoy being a water balloon?
 
hey im sure im gonna get clowned for asking this, but i AM new to roids. i was recently given some dbol pills & was contemplating using em for a month. so the question is, if it's just a month cycle do i need to take estrogen antagonists like nolvadex? & run clomid at the end of the cycle? would 1 months worth of dbol produce any bad side effects like gyno? or is that more for people who use roids frequently?

every person i ask seems to have a different opinion. so i was hoping you guys could help me out please :help:

6 full pages on why NOT to do an oral only cycle and this guy is asking advice on a dbol only cycle... :Pat:

you gotta EXPECT to get clowned after the 6th page.
 
Since I have to avoid taking winstrol solo orally, I'm going to take a cycle of Winstrol (winny) and use it as a suppository. Are there any side effects to taking them anally? I'm jk. Just trying to get my post count up and thought I might make someone laugh.
 
Thanks for all the info Dawg i was going to try out a all oral cycle of 6weeks of Dbol with novadex and post cycle Clomid but after reading your threads i'm not going to even bother unless i can get some good test now. Age29 Height5'11 weight 220 looking to reduce body fat while putting on lean mass.
 
Thanks for all the info Dawg i was going to try out a all oral cycle of 6weeks of Dbol with novadex and post cycle Clomid but after reading your threads i'm not going to even bother unless i can get some good test now. Age29 Height5'11 weight 220 looking to reduce body fat while putting on lean mass.

good luck bro.
 
I have read all 6 pages of the tread so far, so from my understanding I think I already know the answer to my question, but I will ask anyway. I was thinking about taking 50mb of Winstrol Tablets daily for 4 weeks, and by reading the thread I would need to take Clomid (Clomiphene) for about 3-4 weeks after correct? I will be honest I am at about 8-10% body fat right now but I want that shredded look and from my understanding Winstrol (winny) would help me get there.

My diet is pretty good I eat a lot but try to cut down on the carbs. I mostly eat lean meats/fish with vegetables, fruits, and nuts. I am 24 years old at 175-180lbs, 6ft, I am fairly lean but I have to flex like crazy in the mirror to see my abs. I Just want them visible like I see other guys have them, is it just there genetics? I have been working out for 3 years but only hitting weights for about a month have been doing calisthenics but was able to get significant gains with them. (Work out 5 days a week with occasional week off for rest/recovery).

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all in advance.
 
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I have read all 6 pages of the tread so far, so from my understanding I think I already know the answer to my question, but I will ask anyway. I was thinking about taking 50mb of Winstrol Tablets daily for 4 weeks, and by reading the thread I would need to take Clomid (Clomiphene) for about 3-4 weeks after correct? I will be honest I am at about 8-10% body fat right now but I want that shredded look and from my understanding Winstrol (winny) would help me get there.

My diet is pretty good I eat a lot but try to cut down on the carbs. I mostly eat lean meats/fish with vegetables, fruits, and nuts. I am 24 years old at 175-180lbs I am fairly lean but I have to flex like crazy in the mirror to see my abs. I Just want them visible like I see other guys have them, is it just there genetics? I have been working out for 3 years but only hitting weights for about a month have been doing calisthenics but was able to get significant gains with them. (Work out 5 days a week with occasional week off for rest/recovery).

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all in advance.

winnie is overrated it dries you out so newbies think it shreds them but the water will come back.

dont waste your time.
 
As I figured you would say, what would you recommend to get shredded? As I read its all diet or at least 80% diet correct? What would a shredding diet consist of? Meat and Vegetables? Just water to drink? Juice contains to much sugar? Thank's again DoG.
 
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As I figured you would say, what would you recommend to get shredded? As I read its all diet or at least 80% diet correct? What would a shredding diet consist of? Meat and Vegetables? Just water to drink? Juice contains to much sugar? Thank's again DoG.

hit 3j [ moderator ] up in the diet / nutrition forum . hes the guru for that .
 
I'm glad I found this thread dawg. I'm new to this world and all this sort of newbie info is positive as far as I'm concerned.

I have one question.

I'm not sure I understand your original argument. Let's say I run a var cycle and a post cycle therapy (pct) (nolvadex for example). Will I still get a testosterone shut-down. I read somewhere that you don´t even get a testicular atrophy from Anavar (var), but you'll still get a test shut down? And what do you mean by taking in that much to break-even? Do you mean when I run a second cycle I will have to take more than my original amount to get any effect?

But if I run 500 mg of test eth and nolva post cycle therapy (pct), will the shut down not be even more dramatic than on an oral var cycle?
 
I'm glad I found this thread dawg. I'm new to this world and all this sort of newbie info is positive as far as I'm concerned.

I have one question.

I'm not sure I understand your original argument. Let's say I run a var cycle and a post cycle therapy (pct) (nolvadex for example). Will I still get a testosterone shut-down. I read somewhere that you don´t even get a testicular atrophy from Anavar (var), but you'll still get a test shut down? And what do you mean by taking in that much to break-even? Do you mean when I run a second cycle I will have to take more than my original amount to get any effect?

But if I run 500 mg of test eth and nolva post cycle therapy (pct), will the shut down not be even more dramatic than on an oral var cycle?

var will shut you down so while your on the var cycle you will make little to no testosterone . that doesnt mean that with post cycle therapy (pct) from nolva / clomid that test production wont return after the cycle.
 
And what about the shut-down when on 500 mg test eth?

Seems like your only beef is that it's a weak steroid, and the side effects are the same as taking test 500 mg test for example.

But you can argue that then you'll get rid of the risk of gyno and test atrophy when on var?
 
And what about the shut-down when on 500 mg test eth?

Seems like your only beef is that it's a weak steroid, and the side effects are the same as taking test 500 mg test for example.

But you can argue that then you'll get rid of the risk of gyno and test atrophy when on var?

atropy happens due to shut down and it doesnt matter what steroid causes it. i dont understand your problem , how can you compare test at 500 mg a week to var . the gains on the test will be far superior to the var and it makes the cycle worth doing why the fuck cycle with a steroid that will cause light gains or maybe even just break even after post cycle therapy (pct) , it doesnt make sense.

enjoy the var and pilates workouts .
 
I'm just asking for opinions, I know people who are on var for cutting.

What would you recommend as a starting cycle for someone who wants to cut bf while gaining strength? Full cycle
 
I'm just asking for opinions, I know people who are on var for cutting.

What would you recommend as a starting cycle for someone who wants to cut bf while gaining strength? Full cycle

test with some aromasin will work fine for cutting.
500 mg of test eth or cyp for 10-12 weeks along with a calorie defecit .
 
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