I just finished a 12 week test cyp cycle. I didnt use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at all and had arimidex on hand towards the end taking it every 2 or 3 days. i cant seem to find any threads to answer my question. have I done any permanent damage to my body? I want to have kids in about a year. I read that not usuing Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) on cycle could permanently desensitize the testes? answers please....or direct me to a thread
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DeadliftsHitMySpot
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you didn't use any pct or you just didn't use it on cycle? its not needed on cycle but pct is always needed
You will be fine. Guys have run cycles for years without hcg. That's why we do a post cycle. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) helps to keep the testicles active while using AAS and can help give them a kickstart. The serms then help force your body to start naturally producing test again.
Did you do a proper post cycle therapy (pct), and are you having any problems? I dont think I'm understanding your question. Are you simply asking if doing a cycle causes permanent damage to the hpta? It's possible but not likely. This is why it's advised to get blood before and after to see if you have fully recovered.
Also when testicles atrophy it can effect sperm production and if shut down long enough, could cause long term damage but you have just done one cycle so not much to worry about. It's best to take precautions.
So I think to answer your question, you should be fine but blood work is the only true way to tell and use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for further cycles.
Did you do a proper post cycle therapy (pct), and are you having any problems? I dont think I'm understanding your question. Are you simply asking if doing a cycle causes permanent damage to the hpta? It's possible but not likely. This is why it's advised to get blood before and after to see if you have fully recovered.
Also when testicles atrophy it can effect sperm production and if shut down long enough, could cause long term damage but you have just done one cycle so not much to worry about. It's best to take precautions.
So I think to answer your question, you should be fine but blood work is the only true way to tell and use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) for further cycles.
You pretty much answered my question so thank you...............was just worried in general........
To clear things up.....I literally just took my last injection of test cyp. Been doing 800mg/week for 12 weeks now. Just the cyp and arimidex to keep the estro sides down. I have Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) that i was going to use during post cycle therapy (pct) but have been finding more posts now that say its BETTER used during cycle and if you dont use it you could do permanent damage. so i guess im just worried since i didnt use it during my cycle. this was my first cycle and will probably be my last for a while until im better educated on the topic.
Sidenote: is nolva or clomid necessary or can i just continue to use the arimidex in their place during post cycle therapy (pct)??
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Adex for post cycle therapy (pct)? Have you done any research on the subject of post cycle therapy (pct)? Adex for post cycle therapy (pct) is a new one that I've never heard. Do you understand what post cycle therapy (pct) is and why people use Clomid and/or Nolva? It's to stimulate FSH and/or LH. Unless you read somewhere that Adex does these things, then you have your answer as to whether it should be substituted for one or the other or both.
If today was your last Test shot @ 800 mg/week, wait 12 days and begin Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as follows.
M/Th/Sun - 1500 iu each day
Wed/Sun - 1500 iu each day
Tues - 1500 iu
Following day start Clomid 50 mg daily for 21 days
You need to hit your Testes hard with some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to wake them up. Then the clomid will help support your natural test production.
You may want to keep the Adex close at hand in the event that during/after the clomid you start to have estrogen related issues.
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Or you can start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) NOW at 500iu a day for 10 days then start nolva/clomid 14 days from now. With cyp it's fine to start pct in 14 days. I would start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) right away for 10days, take 4 days off then start serms for 4 weeks. And 800mg is unnecessary for a first cycle next time try 500mg. Good luck.
Also the above listed pct cashout has listed looks good: So actually I would go with his layout because the higher doses will give you the kickstart you need. The example I gave you is actually for a person who used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during they cycle. Sorry for the confusion. But I would not wait 12 days to start that. Start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) now then start your pct 4 days after hcg. No need to wait three weeks for pct with cyp, 2 weeks is fiine IMO. And I would run pct for 4 weeks. Just some options.
Also the above listed pct cashout has listed looks good: So actually I would go with his layout because the higher doses will give you the kickstart you need. The example I gave you is actually for a person who used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) during they cycle. Sorry for the confusion. But I would not wait 12 days to start that. Start the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) now then start your pct 4 days after hcg. No need to wait three weeks for pct with cyp, 2 weeks is fiine IMO. And I would run pct for 4 weeks. Just some options.
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Juicer2222
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Just curious, how did u like ur cycle? That is a ton of test for the first time. Did u see really good gains? Any negative sides?
I suggested 12 days until Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) b/c at 800 mgs a week and a half life of 6 days he is going to need his blood level to fall by a factor of 4 in order to get anywhere close to a normal test range otherwise he'll be looking at the chance of test conversion and negative feed back thus keeping him suppressed.
Thanks for the response.....as far as your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) schedule goes here...is that three weeks of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) meaning....
week 1- m/th/sun
week 2- wed/sun
week 3- tues
just want to be really clear with this. thanks
Went from 287 to 311 lbs in 12 weeks. body fat stayed about the same (diet wasnt 100%). I didnt really see too many sides. minor acne on back, no gyno, and my junk worked just fine the whole way through.
Yea ive done some research but im still trying to learn. yes i jumped onto my first cycle too quick and was ill advised at the beginning but the cycle is over so its too late for all the "get your shit straight before you cycle" comments. im just trying to learn from my mistakes and from you guys that know wayyyy more than me.
SO how many days should i follow his layout....im confused on his layout. the way he wrote it makes it look like 1500iu everyday which seems like alot from what ive been reading. or is that a 3 week split of 3days week 1 then 2 days week 2 then 1 day week 3 and then start serms??
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that is a lot of test for your first cycle
Yes 3 applications of 1500 iu the 1st week on Mon/Thur/Sun, 2 applications in week 2 on Wed/Sun and 1 application of 1500 iu on Tues of the 3rd week - It is an every 4 days application.
Cashout is correct. That dose is not high. Instead of 500 each day it's 1500 every third day and that's good to get a kickstart to your system. That dose should make you feel pretty goo also. And cashout I get what you are saying on waiting but I personally start mine immediately after at 500iu ed but also run it the entire cycle. I use aromisin to help with estro. I don't believe in waiting any longer than two weeks to start serms. This works for any dose of test. They only time I will wait longer is a longer ester.IMO there's no need to wait so long. Your approach looks great but I have used mine many times after very heavy(test, tren 4 on 4off 4 on, and eq) long cycles (6 months)and recover just fine this way but everyone is different. And bighiggs I would not tell you not to follow cashouts advice on hcg/pct because that will work well to.
Thats what i thought but I wanted to make sure....thanks for the help
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Juicer2222
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thats pretty solid. i'll be interested in hearing what you weigh 4-8 weeks from now. see how much you keep. from what i've experienced and other ppl, 24lb gain, u might see 7-10lb loss but hopefully its 95% water weight or excess fat. thats what i tell myself anyways when i lose weight post cycle.
but just follow what these guys said to do for post cycle therapy (pct), u should recover fine, keep most the gains, and even tho it was a high dose for a first cycle, it sounds like it was still a successful cycle.
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