Please Help

[FORDMAN]

Hello everyone....i am 27 6'1 215 16.6 inch arms 45.5 inch chest 34 inch waist (i do deadlifts not so much fat if you know what i mean) lean, i have been lifting for 6 years, never used steroids, i have been reading about them for a year and i am ready to try some, i can put on weight naturally and i would like to add anabolics to my regimen to enhance my efforts and get better results, after all i have read, i have zeroed down on orals, i know injections are better but i am not ready for them yet, so i wanna start with orals and work my way up.
Here is my goal.
I would like to add 15 pounds and be able to keep 10 solid pounds at the end of the cycle.
I am worried about high blood pressure, and hair loss.
I am completely healthy and dont have hairloss in my family. I also dont want to get bitch tits.
I dont want to suppress my htpa overly and i want a cycle that would least affect it or to put it another way, i would like an easy recovery.
My goal is not to become the biggest guy out there atleast for right now.
I was thinking of running anavar for 6 weeks @ 20 mg ed.
I was also gonna run dbol @ 20 mg ed for 4 weeks.
This is where i need your expertise, can you tell me how bad are the side effects from dbol going to be at that dosage.
I am particularly worried about High blood pressure (i am going to watch my sodium while on cycle) and gyno. I have none right now and i wanna keep it that way.
I was gonna hit nolva or clomid at the end of the cycle plus some tribulus...what dosage and which one do you recommned.
what do you guys think.
One reason i didnt wanna do injections is i wanna read some books first. what do you guys thinks about anabolics 2005. Do you know a better one. I have also heard about world anabolics review. This is one of my favorite anabolic sites and i know you guys know your shit so help me out bro's. Thanks

 

[shleprock]

From what I've read and experienced Dbol is the worst thing to take if your worried about gyno or hair loss. Not to mention the liver problems associated with dbol.

If you have no problems gaining weight you should wait until you peaked before taking AAS. Focus on diet and training.

Also, if your willing to supress natural testosterone levels you should do 10 weeks of test by itself, 4-6 weeks would not be worth to have to go through the post cycle crap.

 

[FORDMAN]

Shleprock..from what ui have heard dbol is very same as EQ except for the 17 AA, now EQ aromatizes 50% less than Test so Dbol should also aromatize less than test. I dont wanna do injections cayuse recently a buddy of mine had a bacterial infection and was is some serious shit, it is these things that are keeping me away at the moment, i also dont know how to combat gyno from test. I have a lot of questions in my mind that i need to find answers for. For instance is 300mg test a week going to need armidex etc, i know everyone is different but to me test sounds more serious stuff and i am not the kind of person who jumps into shit without thinking about the litle shit.
I was gonna run anavar @20 mg for 6 weeks only but from what i have read i will get better result adding non AR steroid. What are your feelings about me running only anavar @ 20 mg for 6 weeks instead of the above. I know some of shit that i write might sound stupid and insignificant to some experienced people but i am just starting and i wanna be careful. Oh yeah the reason i wanna do roids is because i dont have enuff time anymore to mess around with natural, responsibilities will be coming my way in a couple ofg years and i wanna make the best of the next two years. To give you some high lights i do most compounds and eat well and fine on workout recovery and diet. 6 years is a long time and i am very analytical and like to get to the damn core of everything. just me.

 

[cubanojoe]

Here is a cut and paste about Dbol;

Similar to testosterone and Anadrol 50, Dianabol is a potent steroid, but also one which brings about noticeable side effects. For starters methandrostenolone is quite estrogenic. Gynecomastia is often a concern during treatment, and may present itself quite early into a cycle (particularly when higher doses are used). At the same time water retention can become a pronounced problem, causing a notable loss of muscle definition as both subcutaneous water and fat build. Sensitive individuals may therefore want to keep the estrogen under control with the addition of an anti-estrogen such as Nolvadex and/or Proviron. The stronger drugs Arimidex, Femara, or Aromasin (antiaromatase) would be a better choice if available.

 

[FORDMAN]

Is 20 mg really going to cause gyno is what i am asking.

 

[cubanojoe]

probably not but you never know since you have never tried it before. I would have nolva or letro on hand just in case.

No one ever wants sides but you have to be prepared to deal with them. If not don't do the cycle in the first place as anything could happen but usually doesn't.

 

[gator_mclusky]

Your not gonna keep very much from Dbol. Id say do Anavar @ 40 mgs a dat/Winstrol @ 50 mgs e/o/d and Test Prop(low water retention)

 

[drk_diggler]

run anavar at 40 mgs ed for minimum of 8 weeks... It takes a while before you really start to notice the effects... 6 weeks is not long enough...

 

[lionhead]

Read a little more on this site really check out the drug profiles on this site and think about test, cause test is what is produced NATURALLY in our bodies, the other compounds arent. Read more about test and see that it isnt so bad. IF you arent ready for the needle you arent ready for AAS. Also I would advise you to take Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) while on cycle to keep your nuts from shrinking and ease your recovery post cycle. and for using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you have to be ready to inject.

 

[FORDMAN]

Its not that i am not ready for needles, the reason i dont want to do it first is because i dont want to get gyno from test, it aromatizes likely crazy from what i have read. I dont give a shit about the needles. needles aint shit and is not what i am worried about. Its gyno. If i was taking 300mg prop a week would i need to run nolva along with it. Let me know. THX

 

[coloradosteve]

hmmm, 10 lbs of muscle is allot. I don't think you can do that without at least 375mg per week of test. letro, nolva, and proscar can cantrol the test sides. test does put on allot of muscle....and fat, and water. even on test you might control the estrogen and dht, but not your appitite, and could gain some fat considering test will lowers your ability to do cardio.

 

[lionhead]

Its not that i am not ready for needles, the reason i dont want to do it first is because i dont want to get gyno from test, it aromatizes likely crazy from what i have read. I dont give a shit about the needles. needles aint shit and is not what i am worried about. Its gyno. If i was taking 300mg prop a week would i need to run nolva along with it. Let me know. THX

If you would have done your homework you would know that letrozole, arimidex, and nolvadex all combats gyno effectively. Im running 500 mg/week and having no problems at all when using letrozole. Test isnt dangerous. You will be fine while running nolvadex with your test, it does not limit gains and prevents gyno effectively. If you want something more powerful than nolvadex I suggest letrozole. There isnt a man on this earth that has gotten gyno when using letrozole properly. Do a search for letrozole on this forum and see. Some people even say it may even reverse existing gyno thats been there for a while.

 

[khalnayak]

ill go with 500mg test-e ew for 10 weeks.dont stack it with anything.see what happens.just make sure u have a good clomid post cycle therapy (pct) and sum nolva on hand in case gyno appears

 

[Fender]

I would say head over to the diet and then the training forums...skip the roids. You start eating 2gms of protein for every lb. that you weigh, train hard with maybe a new routine to change it up and you will gain.

 

[GymLift]

Its not that i am not ready for needles, the reason i dont want to do it first is because i dont want to get gyno from test, it aromatizes likely crazy from what i have read. I dont give a shit about the needles. needles aint shit and is not what i am worried about. Its gyno. If i was taking 300mg prop a week would i need to run nolva along with it. Let me know. THX

Gyno from testosterone is easily controlled with Nolvadex and then Letro, if it is even a problem at all.

 

[thetopdog]

Shleprock..from what ui have heard dbol is very same as EQ except for the 17 AA, now EQ aromatizes 50% less than Test so Dbol should also aromatize less than test.

While it's true that on the molecular level, Dbol and EQ only differ by Dbol being 17AA, the two compounds have VERY different effects on your body. DBol will aromatize very easily, and in many cases a moderate dose of Dbol will cause more estrogen related problems (bloat, gyno, high BP) than a moderate dose of test will. Of course, aromatization should not really be a major issue with either if used with an AI

 

[FORDMAN]

After giving it some thought i think i will go with anavar only @ 20 mg for 6 weeks....thats all i can afford at this time...i will take some tribestan, zma and horny goat weed for recovery...from what i have read dbol is not for long term and not worth the risks. thanks everyone....i will put up my pics before and after Anavar (var) cycle, because i hate it when ppl do a cycle and ask questions and after their cycle they never comback to post their results and pics. I WILL..so others know what to expect because after reading everything i still dont know exactly what to expect...dosage might be too little since i am at 215.... I'll see.. and one thing for sure to other newbeees YES Anavar (var) IS EXPENSIVE...

 

[StoneColdNTO]

After giving it some thought i think i will go with anavar only @ 20 mg for 6 weeks....thats all i can afford at this time.....

Save your $$$ and just forget this. Your before and after pics are going to look exactly the same, no difference, none.

Var @ 20mg/day for 6 weeks isn't going to do shit except lighten your wallet.

 

[FORDMAN]

Too late for that its alrerady been shipped, how about winnie @ 50 mg ed for 6 weeks

 

[GymLift]

How about testosterone followed up by appropriate post cycle therapy (pct)? No ZMA, goat shit, etc.