traviswyliedime
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to the OP: you already have good size bro whats the rush?!? you obviously have some good genetics based on your pics. I bet you could alter your diet now and put on some sick size without any gear
Pro bodybuilders advice given to me.
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Do people come any dumber than you? Or was it a special request your mother made in the form of dropping you on your head.... Several times?
frazier512
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whats with all the fucking hostility? i do not condone not running a pct but yes, i do know guys. 2 at my gym that do not run a pct at all. they say they dont need it and have never crashed and if they ever do then they will start running a pct
bigherm2121
just a Lil guy!!!
ok first of all i did not recomened anyone to not do a pct u dumb ass, i said i dont do it. i keep 90% of my gains when i come off with no problem so i dont need it i dont get all the bad sides like other guys, thats y i dont use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or post cycle therapy (pct). everyone is different.
Dude don't bs us. You just did you first cycle a few months ago. You talk like you have tons of cycles under your belt. A lot of these guys have years of juice experience. Ps your 20
I'm not going to hate simply because you were only stating how you do things and not suggesting it. Keep in mind that things change and even if you tend to recover without pct now, it may hit you hard another time. Honestly, years ago I didn't run a pct either but serms and AI's weren't so readily available. I usually recover easily to but honestly I would never skip a pct now that it's so easy to get what's needed and I wonder how I ever did it before.
To the op: don't take everything a pro or anyone tells you to heart. Most pros take everything and anything the can without any set plan. IMO you are too young to mess with this stuff but I'm not you and I'm not your dad, so it's not my choice but I can tell you that you are at more risk then someone older at messing up your endocrine system because yours may not be completely matured and balanced.
I think the person advising that cycle was looking to help you keep things light and he's possibly right that you won't need much but at 18 you probably don't need any. I disagree 100% that an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will ruin gains. This is just not true. IMO Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) should be used with every cycle, but I have been reading studies lately that say guys who have been on AAS for years non stop actually have healthier and younger testes once they come off and restart the hpta because they were not working or aging during those years. So it's hard to say but from experience I know Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) makes recovery easier. Here's a problem, a shut down hpta is just that, shut down. Some things are harder to recover from then others but shut down doesn't vary in degree so even 200mg of test a week is shutting you down and it may be very difficult for you to recover or it may be fairly easy but you never know and it can change everytime so why not use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and increase your chances. I haven't found a negative aspect to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) besides at higher doses causing some increased aromatase.
So I think it would be best for you to wait a couple years before using hormones. If you have money to spend, hire a nutritionist and see how far a good diet and training can get you for the next couple of years. Continue to build a good base and in that time you will learn how you respond to specific diets/training so when you are ready for AAS you will explode with growth.
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Cobra Strike
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joeyh1991
JH
iv done four cycles bud
joeyh1991
JH
i agree like you i say run it if u need it but plenty of ppl do not run it. i would never tell someone not to run it
joeyh1991
JH
o and i agree with you on that cuz i have not hit a huge cycle yet but its coming and u it may shut me down and i will have everything on hand but as for now i dont use just cuz the fact that it does not shut me down, but not saying that it will never happen to me cuz im pretty sure it will.
joeyh1991
JH
and just to let you kno i have been around the scine all growing up with my dad openly doin it around me so i probly have been around it alot more than alot of guys on here just cuz im 20 dont mean i dont have the knowledge.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
Listen bro, people who don't use a post cycle therapy (pct) are stupid. they are trying to be cool and go against the grain, or they are not smart enough to figure out what a post cycle therapy (pct) is.
I tried not to say anything about your post, but here you are referencing people that still get advice from their drug dealer.
let me ask you this question:
If you have never ran a post cycle therapy (pct) how and the fuck would you know if it benefits you or not?
bottom line, you don't know, your just following in the footsteps of some other dumb ass with a closed mind not willing to accept the fact that maybe he could improve how he is doing things.
NEWSFLASH: post cycle therapy (pct) doesn't make you recover, it just helps you recover faster. so will you recover without it? yes. will you recover faster with it? yes.
Then you had the nerve to say I KEEP ALL MY GAINS. BULLSHIT
I don't even come off, but when i drop everything besides test, i def lose strength and fullness, period.
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joeyh1991
JH
Listen bro, people who don't use a post cycle therapy (pct) are stupid. they are trying to be cool and go against the grain, or they are not smart enough to figure out what a post cycle therapy (pct) is.
I tried not to say anything about your post, but here you are referencing people that still get advice from their drug dealer.
let me ask you this question:
If you have never ran a post cycle therapy (pct) how and the fuck would you know if it benefits you or not?
bottom line, you don't know, your just following in the footsteps of some other dumb ass with a closed mind not willing to accept the fact that maybe he could improve how he is doing things.
NEWSFLASH: post cycle therapy (pct) doesn't make you recover, it just helps you recover faster. so will you recover without it? yes. will you recover faster with it? yes.
Then you had the nerve to say I KEEP ALL MY GAINS. BULLSHIT
I don't even come off, but when i drop everything besides test, i def lose strength and fullness, period.
i keep 90% of my gains and recover fully, so tell me how much post cycle therapy (pct) would help me, not trien to be kool what so ever if it truely would help me id b all over it.
Joey, I do agree that post cycle therapy (pct) is the best way to go. The reason I didn't do it was because it was years ago and I either didn't have access to post cycle therapy (pct) drugs or wasn't smart enough to look for them. Now I do admit that I dont remember crashing but I did lose some size and strength but still kept good amounts. I think I was very luck just like I think you have been as well.
Try some torem next time you cycle and you will likely do even better. I personally think you are too young for gear but that's not what we are talking about but remember AAS do shut you down, but you may just be a lucky one who recovers quick or whatever is going on.
Also I wouldn't consider my self a BB and in the years when I began using it was as a paid athlete so I wasn't going for a bb look either but you have to admit that even if you recover fast or without post cycle therapy (pct) that using a post cycle therapy (pct) to speed that process even more to retain more of the gains has to be a better option right?
It has to be the case, just like using AAS. You take them to recover faster so your muscle can grow at an accelerated rate. Be open to it and I think you will be surprised.
Try some torem next time you cycle and you will likely do even better. I personally think you are too young for gear but that's not what we are talking about but remember AAS do shut you down, but you may just be a lucky one who recovers quick or whatever is going on.
Also I wouldn't consider my self a BB and in the years when I began using it was as a paid athlete so I wasn't going for a bb look either but you have to admit that even if you recover fast or without post cycle therapy (pct) that using a post cycle therapy (pct) to speed that process even more to retain more of the gains has to be a better option right?
It has to be the case, just like using AAS. You take them to recover faster so your muscle can grow at an accelerated rate. Be open to it and I think you will be surprised.
THE-DET-OAK
IncreasedMyT @ ULV
I though you kept all your gains?
ok then post your pre and post bloods and i will be the one who decides if you have fully recovered, oh wait i bet you dont do blood test
Listen man i dont want to get into a pissing match with a teenager that is not willing to learn a thing or 2. either way im right, bottomline you dont know if it will benefit you unless you try it. In the meantime stop telling people you dont do post cycle therapy (pct) and you recover 100%, cause you really don't know the answer to that question.
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joeyh1991
JH
ok ill check out torem next cycle and give it a shot! all about bn safe and getting the best results! thats man!
bigherm2121
just a Lil guy!!!
LOL and your 20. You must be running cycle after cycle. I can't wait till your 50 and your flapper doesn't work so your forced to wear a diaper while on trt. LOL regardless you give bad advice and this isnt the first time you have
swoleup
New member
"Not trying to be some sort of b.b.", you should read more and talk less. I'm sure you have a lot to teach us at 20 yrs old....
joeyh1991
JH
well i guess my opinion in my opinion so if u dont like it dont worry about it man, damn. thats the prob with alot of you guys on here instead of helpin guys out yall bash them, how do you think some of these guys will ever learn if yall do that? like i said i dont run a post cycle therapy (pct) but user talked to me about it and im willing to give it a shot.
