Pro bodybuilders advice given to me.
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fuckin A Colt
swoleup
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That sums it up nicely. Well said.
armenianiron
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could someone please answer what I said earlier, i think people overlooked it in the heat of internet battle LOL. That question was...and what do they suggest if I reach my natural genetic limit before the suggested age to start taking aas? One thing I realize is that you risk hpta shutdown reguardless of what age you are when you take it, so to me I don't mind taking that risk. You have to keep in mind I consider physical perfection more than just a hobby, but am in the process of turning it into a career as a personal trainer/bodybuilder.
coltmc45
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The ONLY way I would EVER Condone use to someone your age is if you were 100% dedicated to going pro. Forget the trainer part as far as AAS goes because the majority of trainers haven't ever used gear. Why don't you just do natural shows for a few years first?
armenianiron
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Because I have always been the type to go big or go home, and as far as trainers, plenty of them take juice. I know a few personally. Besides the point, the way I look at it is that we are all destined for low test levels or Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) at some point of our lives anyways (on top of the fact that you risk hpta shutdown reguardless of age) so why not do start now, and research all the compounds I take before hand. If I decide to do it it's going to be test enanthate at 500mg's a week for 10 weeks, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 3rd day at 250iu's, arimidex during, and clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). Thoughts on this consider what I said above for reasons about hpta why would i worry about causing shutdown myself instead of waiting for it to happen naturally is my point.
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The average age we recommend is 25 for many physiological levels but also maturity. I'm not saying you aren't mature, but I know I did a lot of shit that I wouldn't do at 25 and now I can't even imagine.
But based on your progress, goals, knowledge, blood work, etc you could possibly go a bit sooner. Keep in mind that many people continue to grow up to 21-22 years old and AAS can effect that.
Regardless of your choice be careful. Don't trust info from someone just because they are the big guy in the gym(usually the least amount of knowledge about AAS use), and again many pros don't know much about AAS other than taking a lot or certain combinations at certain times. My point is continue to research and learn on your own and then you can make a better choice about the right time.
armenianiron
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I'm not worried about growing taller. I have been 5'6 for the last past 4 and half years. LOL
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
could always go to the doc and ask him if your plates fused, then you would be sure. no regrets that way.
One thing i want remind guys is that it is proven that high doses of AAS effect factors that leave us more prone to heart disease and stroke, usually though when you come off those factors go back to normal.
The question we are really not sure on is after years of use, will it not come down? just saying............you gotta long road ahead of you, do what you want, but there is no harm in thinking about it, seriously, for a good year.
One thing i want remind guys is that it is proven that high doses of AAS effect factors that leave us more prone to heart disease and stroke, usually though when you come off those factors go back to normal.
The question we are really not sure on is after years of use, will it not come down? just saying............you gotta long road ahead of you, do what you want, but there is no harm in thinking about it, seriously, for a good year.
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armenianiron
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never got my plates checked, but I have switched doctors about a year ago and both of them have said they are pretty confident I'm done growing taller. The second doctor who told me said that he's never seen a kid stall at a certain height as long as I've been 5'6 and continue to grow afterwards. I kind of like being shorter anywho 
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
why is that? why did i grow 2 inches after i was 23? why is it proven that all plates may not close til 25?
and lastly why did you use all those big words? all that needs to be said is there is a strong correlation between E levels and growth plate closure, all that other shit you mentioned is useless.
bottomline, estrogen closes growth plates, when it wants to, thats why when we give young people AI's, they grow taller..........................
matt W's lesson for today: dont believe everything you hear in med school.
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
OH and I almost forgot, why coudn't a doc tell you if they are closed? x rays wouldn't tell you that I guess.............
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bigherm2121
just a Lil guy!!!
All I was simply saying was bs. Cuz I remember trying to talk you out of your first cycle and you started in aug. Either four cycles in four months or your bull shitting. Just calling it how I see it. I really think you only have one cycle maybe two. But what's it matter. I just hate when people try to lie. I try to help and i help a lot of people. Just people like you try to lie to make themselves look cool. So you got lucky one time cuz you didn't run a serm or an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). Doesn't.mean it will happen again.
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The go big or go home is the attitude I'm talking about with maturity. Again at 18 you don't see that far down the road, you only see what you want now and you are willing to risk shutting down hpta permanently but IMO you are not old enough to make a decision like that.
At 18 your natural test levels are high enough to continue making great gains. You are in your prime for growth. As you age you will gain muscle maturity but you should be able to pack on the wait right now. Instead of buying gear pay for a nutrionist and really push your self to your natural limits, at that point consider gear.
There are a lot more things to consider beside hpta, test, and estrogen levels. You will increase your blood pressure, lipids will be off, hematocrit and hemoglobin will be elevated and possibly dangerous. You can accelerate male pattern baldness, have excessive acne.
Using AAS for the majority of people makes them infertile. Lh and fsh levels are very very low so the amount of active swimmers can decrease rapidly. Gyno is a possiblity, loss of libido, loss of erections even on cycle but more so after coming off gear and some people take a long time to fix that. Liver and kidneys can be damaged and kidney damage becomes a greater risk over years of use. Some people experience depression, anxiety both on and coming off.
Now people have varying degrees of all of these things and most people are not honest about the sides they experience or tend to play it down just to feel better about what they are doing. You can just look at it as a benefit and only a risk to hpta. At your age you are very likely to have severe acne. You will have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to counter side effects.
It will take a lot of money. What you spend on gear is usually the easy part. The amount of food you will need gets expensive plus, anciliaries, pct, supplement for bp, liver, kidneys, etc.
You might not want to hear this but the truth of the matter is a large percentage of 18-25 year olds don't have enough life experience to make major decisions and most only look at what they want now. If this wasn't true, you would see more young people running the world but age and experience always win.
I'm not trying to sound like a PSA but this stuff is no joke at there are potential risks. Yes the majority of people handle AAS relatively well and we have all made bad choices, but don't be so sold that you are willing to shut down hpta. At some point most people start to think about having kids and a family and then your choices effect them.
God damn, I can't believe I just posted all of this. Point is there is a lot to consider before jumping in.
At 18 your natural test levels are high enough to continue making great gains. You are in your prime for growth. As you age you will gain muscle maturity but you should be able to pack on the wait right now. Instead of buying gear pay for a nutrionist and really push your self to your natural limits, at that point consider gear.
There are a lot more things to consider beside hpta, test, and estrogen levels. You will increase your blood pressure, lipids will be off, hematocrit and hemoglobin will be elevated and possibly dangerous. You can accelerate male pattern baldness, have excessive acne.
Using AAS for the majority of people makes them infertile. Lh and fsh levels are very very low so the amount of active swimmers can decrease rapidly. Gyno is a possiblity, loss of libido, loss of erections even on cycle but more so after coming off gear and some people take a long time to fix that. Liver and kidneys can be damaged and kidney damage becomes a greater risk over years of use. Some people experience depression, anxiety both on and coming off.
Now people have varying degrees of all of these things and most people are not honest about the sides they experience or tend to play it down just to feel better about what they are doing. You can just look at it as a benefit and only a risk to hpta. At your age you are very likely to have severe acne. You will have to spend a lot of time figuring out how to counter side effects.
It will take a lot of money. What you spend on gear is usually the easy part. The amount of food you will need gets expensive plus, anciliaries, pct, supplement for bp, liver, kidneys, etc.
You might not want to hear this but the truth of the matter is a large percentage of 18-25 year olds don't have enough life experience to make major decisions and most only look at what they want now. If this wasn't true, you would see more young people running the world but age and experience always win.
I'm not trying to sound like a PSA but this stuff is no joke at there are potential risks. Yes the majority of people handle AAS relatively well and we have all made bad choices, but don't be so sold that you are willing to shut down hpta. At some point most people start to think about having kids and a family and then your choices effect them.
God damn, I can't believe I just posted all of this. Point is there is a lot to consider before jumping in.
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bigherm2121
just a Lil guy!!!
Matt you know I love you right. But I call bs cuz i grew two inches in my 20s.
Cobra Strike
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actually matt I believe dets and my bones are becoming more dense as you type this hahahahaha
and there you go using those big words like osteoclasts....speaking gyberish again or is it swahili?
and there you go using those big words like osteoclasts....speaking gyberish again or is it swahili?
bigherm2121
just a Lil guy!!!
not talking about peckers, herm.
Hahaha. Dickhead. Boy what a cluster fuck did this poor kids thread turned too!
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
You lost me after estrogen stimulates bone growth and development.
My point is, we can go around in circles all we want about this and that, in the end estrogen closes them, this is why a young person should not take aromatizing compounds, and should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), unless they know for sure plates are closed.
Yes this factor may influence estrogen, or this one may affect the timing of the closure. your argument is not supporting your theory, you are arguing that there are many different things going on in the body that contribute to the closure and development of bones and tissues yet you want to set a time frame on when that will happen? and disregard my personal data of 2 inches after i was 23, i also went from a size 13-14 in that time period.
so....................................
My point is, we can go around in circles all we want about this and that, in the end estrogen closes them, this is why a young person should not take aromatizing compounds, and should use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), unless they know for sure plates are closed.
Yes this factor may influence estrogen, or this one may affect the timing of the closure. your argument is not supporting your theory, you are arguing that there are many different things going on in the body that contribute to the closure and development of bones and tissues yet you want to set a time frame on when that will happen? and disregard my personal data of 2 inches after i was 23, i also went from a size 13-14 in that time period.
so....................................
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IncreasedMyT @ ULV
I can post some that show they dont close until 25.......so......................
