Chief Iron Bear said:
thanks a lot guys this is very helpful...but why would you suggest Test Enanthate and the others over deca or sustanon?? im not questioning your knowledge, just looking for some answers.
And my diet is the best its ever been, i dont think that will be a problem
also stacking different AS is a bit expensive for me for the time being. Am i better to take them individually in seperate cycles as i get the money or save up for one big cycle?
thanks for your time
Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it by TIG
Not all test was created equal. Test is Test is Test. As much as this is true we are speaking about raw test or de esterified test. We are not talking about ester bound test.
The purpose when injecting is to do so to keep blood plasma levels as stable and at peak for as long as possible, now we cannot do this with sustanon unless it is injected every other day. If I were to draw a graph on the time release of sustanon it would have Highs & Lows (Ups & Downs). Now the average newbie does not wish to inject on an every other day basis and he certainly doesnt wish to be using that much test for a first or second cycle either. In order to keep blood plasma levels stable and reach a peak as quickly as possible you would have to go about front loading. Again something that should not really be done with sustanon.
I have read sustanon causes less water retention, sustanon causes less chance of getting gyno and less sides overall. This is not true one bit.
250mgs of Sustanon (sust) or 250mgs of enanthate?
Enanthate contains more raw test than the mixture in sust.
Did I forget to mention the Sustanon (sust) flu? The long build up of this? The long duration it takes to leave the body due to the decanoate ester?
Now before I start writing a book on this I want a serious discussion with all you Sustanon (sust) lovers
Peace
Deca and You by Macro
A short reply to 2thick- on the anabolic board
In honor of Ranger-who knows well the potential evils of Deca
Nandrolone, popularly known as Deca, is a classified as a progestin. Deca derives many of its benefits from its progestenic nature: including, but not limited to, increase IM fat storage and increased fluid retention in the joints from glucocorticoid(GC) stimulation.
Deca is the most widely used form of prescription contraception in the first world. Deca is superior to testosterone as a form of birth control because its progestenic effects which result in rapid onset of azoospermia. Progestins are used similarly in women, progestins given to women in birth control pills and other drugs such as norgestrel and norethidrone are classified as 19-nor-testosterone or 19 nor- progesterone derivatives. Natural progesterone plays an important role in sexual arousal- affecting GABA to a considerable extent. The addition of progestins like deca which compete with progesterone and decrease its production may result in drastically reduced sexual arousal. Interestingly enough, the chemical castration of sex offenders, is acheived through the use of a 19-nortestosterone derivative.
This brings us to the second most common problem with the use of progestenic drugs like Deca, the breast tissue has both PR(progesterone receptors) and ER(estrogen receptors) and stimulation of either will result in new tissue formation and growth. This will vary considerably from individual to individuals based on the numbers and ratio of receptors in the tissue. Some individuals have more PR, which will make them more susceptable to Gyno. Another suspected factor is that there are slightly physiologically different PR, as well as ER and AR, which may effect binding and expression of synthetic progestins either positively or negatively.
The use of Anti-estrogens and Aromatase-inhibitors will help by reducing stimulation of the ER in the breast tissue. However, those with high concentrations of PR or PR whose physiology allows for greater binding or expression of progestins will be faced with developing Gynomacastia.
In short
1. DECA dick is real
2. DECA does cause Gyno
3. DECA is progestin it must be fought with anti-progestins
4. Use of Nolvadex and Arimidex will help, but only by reducing ER stimulation.
Peace
