to down grade ronnie is BLASPHEMY! like for real! Both guys are beast! im sure noone on here could touch either of these guys or even wear their jock strap. Arnold is the Father of this shit lets be real however ronnie is no slouch! my vote is for ARNOLD but ronnie is a close and i mean a very close second! And as far as the new roids that are out now no guts no glory thats what the sport has evolved to just like everything else. im sure if arnold was competing today he would probably be big as a house too even his legs due to the fact that is what it would take to win! just my opinion.