shooting slin am and pm
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i have been using slin for the last 2 weeks....
....and btw insulin DOES cause diabetes. otherwise there would be no reason for cycling. i think its a misunderstood concept. there are 2 types of diabetes. Type 1 is most common, its when you body doesnt produce enough insulin. Type 2 is when cells become insulin resistant, basically they dont react to it as well as they should. This is what happens to bodybuilders when they use unhuman doses of slin. If you get diabetes type2 you are not getting slin injections, you have to take pills on a regular basis that increase insulin sensitivity. my friend is a competitive bodybuilder and he got diabetes type 2... he is depressed as hell.
....and btw insulin DOES cause diabetes. otherwise there would be no reason for cycling. i think its a misunderstood concept. there are 2 types of diabetes. Type 1 is most common, its when you body doesnt produce enough insulin. Type 2 is when cells become insulin resistant, basically they dont react to it as well as they should. This is what happens to bodybuilders when they use unhuman doses of slin. If you get diabetes type2 you are not getting slin injections, you have to take pills on a regular basis that increase insulin sensitivity. my friend is a competitive bodybuilder and he got diabetes type 2... he is depressed as hell.
DirkMoneyshot
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No more then 2x / week (Monday and Thursday) 6 - 8 iu (Morning and Postworkout) - You better be using an androgen and anabolic along with it.
Do not use for more then 8 weeks without taking the necessary time off.
Do not use for more then 8 weeks without taking the necessary time off.
thanks, i also running winny+tren+prop...the gains stopped completely for the last 2-3 weeks so i thought of incorating slin...hopefully itll get me gaining again.
i have been using 15ius ED is that bad? i thought it was a common practice to take slin ED? i only plan to stay for 4 weeks by the way...
i have been using 15ius ED is that bad? i thought it was a common practice to take slin ED? i only plan to stay for 4 weeks by the way...
DirkMoneyshot
Well-known member
I think ED insulin use is not a good idea, but i'm sure there are people that will argue with me.
With me i'm about the training and diet doing most of the work in building physique - not the drugs.
With me i'm about the training and diet doing most of the work in building physique - not the drugs.
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
slava said:
Can you post some facts that exogen insulin causes diabetes typ 2?
Insulin is routinely used in type 2 diabetes to lower blood sugar. It has not been shown to harm the pancreas in patients or in any other subjects.
/Bruce
DirkMoneyshot
Well-known member
Bruce Banner said:
Were talking about patients that need the insulin - I don't think we can compare a healthy individual to a diabetic.
I would bet that after a continued exposure that you could end up with some problems -
The body will work no different then when Exogeneous Test is put in the system. Eventually you start to notice less and less Endogeneous output.
Now how long would this take and with how much or the degree of probelms- I don't know.
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
DirkMoneyshot said:
So you're saying exogen insulin will harm the pancreas and they will stop producing insulin?
I agree with you that this is a subject to take seriously, but is there any evidence?
/Bruce
no bro you are missing the point. no matter how much insulin you use your body wont shut down its own insulin production BUT your insulin sensitivity will decrease, so even though you are producing the right amount of slin, the glucose transport will be poor. WIth type 2 diabetes you would have to take pill to enhance insulin sensitivity.
if what you are suggesting is true there would be no need to cycle slin, you could run it all year round. the fact is insulin use in the long run WILL undoubtfully cause diabetes.
if what you are suggesting is true there would be no need to cycle slin, you could run it all year round. the fact is insulin use in the long run WILL undoubtfully cause diabetes.
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
slava said:
Ok, it's nice to here your OPINION on this issue but can you post some FACTS that supports it?
/Bruce
DirkMoneyshot
Well-known member
Bruce Banner said:
Could i give you a document done on healthy indivduals trying to determine if exo insulin will damage the pancreas - No...
I don't think we will ever see something like this researched.
The sensitivity i do agree with whole heartedly....You'll eventually need more and more to get the same results,
My proof - BB that use insulin.
Why do we continually need Higher and Higher doses for our cycles?? Sensitivity to the drugs.
DirkMoneyshot
Well-known member
I have to point out its hard to post facts for these types of things, because they are unethical to research.
I would think common sense would provide a fairly accurate answer.
I would think common sense would provide a fairly accurate answer.
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
DirkMoneyshot said:
I thought it was because we get bigger and bigger after every cycle and for that resaon we need higher doses.
Not because we developed some sort of resistance.
/Bruce
DirkMoneyshot
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I think both factors play into it to a degree....
But what do i know - i'm just a broken down guy on a Saturday night @ 3 a.m. posting on this board. Haha
But what do i know - i'm just a broken down guy on a Saturday night @ 3 a.m. posting on this board. Haha
Bruce Banner
G.F.H.
slava said:
That's what I thought I was going to get some help with here....
I have done some research and could not find any evidence at all supporting the fact that you claim.
Sorry, but I just can't take your word for it. How can you say it's a medical fact then you do not have anything do support it?
/Bruce
GymLift
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I'm not going to claim that use of insulin definitely causes a decrease in insulin sensitivity, because I have seen no medical studies that prove one way or the other. However, I will claim that it might. In my opinion, it even seems likely. For example, there is clearly a link between excessive sugar intake a diabeties. That is an observation that has been made by an overwelming number of doctors based on real world experience. I believe that this phonomenon likely due to the decrease in insulin sensitivity. Can the same thing be caused by insulin abuse? Such certainly seems possible.
I also feel that too many guys jump on insulin without good enough reason. There is this (mis?)conception some have that nearly every serious lifters use insulin. Thus, the "bandwagon" logical fallacy is sometimes applied to insulin use: "If I want to become big, then I must use insulin" and "If I use insulin, I will become big."
Eat some dextrose and your insulin will increase; your body has an exceptional ability to regulate itself in this manner. All natural and no risk of going into hypoglycemic shock. Eat the dextrose with lots of food, and your body will produce even more insulin.
I also feel that too many guys jump on insulin without good enough reason. There is this (mis?)conception some have that nearly every serious lifters use insulin. Thus, the "bandwagon" logical fallacy is sometimes applied to insulin use: "If I want to become big, then I must use insulin" and "If I use insulin, I will become big."
Eat some dextrose and your insulin will increase; your body has an exceptional ability to regulate itself in this manner. All natural and no risk of going into hypoglycemic shock. Eat the dextrose with lots of food, and your body will produce even more insulin.
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