Sleep problems on Tren e
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epoxy
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id try natural supplementation first if possible. 5-HTP, melatonin, that kind of shit. i had to get my doc to put me on xanax for tren anxiety because i wasnt sleeping. it actually doesnt even help that much. when your pillow is soaking wet and cold from the AC blowing on it..youre gonna wake up pretty much no matter what lol
Some people respond differently to prami...Some get a bit wired shortly after taking it so should take it in the morning, others get tired right after. With prami you should start slow with a low dose then slowly work your way up.
I get those symptoms mentioned above from prolactin. I prefer dostenex over prami tho.
I should have mentioned I am running Tren e 200 ml a week and its kicking my ass for a couple of days after pinning. Maybe two hours sleep each night for a couple night and sweats bad, AC on full and bed sheets are drenched. May have to drop it and run Deca with the test. Thought maybe if I tried the Delta Sleep Inducing Peptide it may help. Any thoughts?
juced_porkchop
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take kavakava I get the 84% extract paste from konakavafarm.com i take 0.5g-1g 30min before bed and im gud, thow i dotn get much sides to begin with thow.
works like a charm .
could also add valarien root aswell with it.
J
Johnnny
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If you take kavakava, you best be checking your liver functions,
It has and can cause liver failure ie transplant or slow ebola like death for the ones who win that lottery.
Diphenhydramine, nytol short term or a tricyclic antidepressant such as low dose amitryptiline
combining tren and kavakava can make your liver values beyond bad
juced_porkchop
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umm if done years of reasearch and KAVA KAVA is NOT liver toxic form the root.!
the root is what is supossed to be used.
when it started getting populer supp companys just started using the WHOLE plants (cut cost, ect.) wich is a no no.
ads the leaves/stems have a compound in it that MIGHT be toxic to liver, even this HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN.
kavakava has been being used for hundreds of years with not issues and ts always taditionally been the root used.
the root doas NOT hase this compound wich is found in the leaves/stem.
where i get mine its ONLY the root thats used. and yes my liver is fine and i take it almost daily.
ohh tren is bad for your liver also now too?
you have no basis for these statements except basicy media hyped bull shit.
same as "reefer madness" or "steroids shrink yoru dick and give you roid rage" same bullshit.
do your own research on it. I can assure you your wrong.
guess thats why you have soo much NEG rep, you post with no bassis but reading threw bro-say and media headlines.
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juced_porkchop
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link: Diphenhydramine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Diphenhydramine, nytol
Side effects
Like many other first-generation antihistamines, diphenhydramine is a potent anticholinergic agent. This leads to profound drowsiness as a very common side-effect. Diphenhydramine has also been used as an anxiolytic because of these sedating side effects. However, other side effects include possibilities of motor impairment (ataxia), dry mouth and throat, flushed skin, increased heart rate (tachycardia), blurred vision at nearpoint owing to lack of accommodation (cycloplegia), abnormal sensitivity to bright light (photophobia), pupil dilation (mydriasis), urinary retention, constipation, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss, visual disturbances, hallucinations, irregular breathing, dizziness, irritability, itchy skin, confusion, decreased body temperature (generally in the hands and/or feet), erectile dysfunction, excitability, and delirium[10]. Some side effects such as twitching may be delayed until the drowsiness begins to cease and the person is in more of an awakening mode. Diphenhydramine also has local anesthetic properties, and has been used for patients allergic to common local anesthetics like lidocaine.[11]
Diphenhydramine is similar in its effects to dimenhydrinate, its 8-chlorotheophylline salt, although the latter is approximately 60% the potency in terms of required dosage and is slightly less sedating.
Some patients have an allergic reaction to diphenhydramine in the form of hives.[12][13]
Since 2002, the US FDA requires special labeling warning against using multiple products that contain diphenhydramine.[14] Diphenhydramine has been shown to build tolerance against its sedation effectiveness very quickly, with placebo-like results after a third day of common dosage.[15]
Paradoxical reactions to diphenhydramine are documented, particularly amongst children, and it may cause excitation instead of sedation.[16][17]
Because of potential for more severe side effects, diphenhydramine is on the "Beers list" to avoid in the elderly. (See NCQA’s HEDIS Measure: Use of High Risk Medications in the Elderly, http://www.ncqa.org/Portals/0/Newsroom/SOHC/Drugs_Avoided_Elderly.pdf).
Benadryl Itch Stopping Gel contains additional ingredients including camphor. It is dangerous when swallowed
Diphenhydramine, nytol
Side effects
Like many other first-generation antihistamines, diphenhydramine is a potent anticholinergic agent. This leads to profound drowsiness as a very common side-effect. Diphenhydramine has also been used as an anxiolytic because of these sedating side effects. However, other side effects include possibilities of motor impairment (ataxia), dry mouth and throat, flushed skin, increased heart rate (tachycardia), blurred vision at nearpoint owing to lack of accommodation (cycloplegia), abnormal sensitivity to bright light (photophobia), pupil dilation (mydriasis), urinary retention, constipation, difficulty concentrating, short-term memory loss, visual disturbances, hallucinations, irregular breathing, dizziness, irritability, itchy skin, confusion, decreased body temperature (generally in the hands and/or feet), erectile dysfunction, excitability, and delirium[10]. Some side effects such as twitching may be delayed until the drowsiness begins to cease and the person is in more of an awakening mode. Diphenhydramine also has local anesthetic properties, and has been used for patients allergic to common local anesthetics like lidocaine.[11]
Diphenhydramine is similar in its effects to dimenhydrinate, its 8-chlorotheophylline salt, although the latter is approximately 60% the potency in terms of required dosage and is slightly less sedating.
Some patients have an allergic reaction to diphenhydramine in the form of hives.[12][13]
Since 2002, the US FDA requires special labeling warning against using multiple products that contain diphenhydramine.[14] Diphenhydramine has been shown to build tolerance against its sedation effectiveness very quickly, with placebo-like results after a third day of common dosage.[15]
Paradoxical reactions to diphenhydramine are documented, particularly amongst children, and it may cause excitation instead of sedation.[16][17]
Because of potential for more severe side effects, diphenhydramine is on the "Beers list" to avoid in the elderly. (See NCQA’s HEDIS Measure: Use of High Risk Medications in the Elderly, http://www.ncqa.org/Portals/0/Newsroom/SOHC/Drugs_Avoided_Elderly.pdf).
Benadryl Itch Stopping Gel contains additional ingredients including camphor. It is dangerous when swallowed
juced_porkchop
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Diphenhydramine deaths:
Diphenhydramine deaths - Google Search
kava kava deths from NON traditional extracts:
2007 Kava Kava Report links 7 deaths and 14 liver transplants to the use of Kava.
Basicly alcochol/ethol extract.
"Interestingly, experimental studies and clinical trials suggest that water-based extracts are not toxic. However, there is an apparent cause and effect relationship between the ingestion of acetonic and ethanolic kava extracts and liver toxicity, but the exact mechanism is unknown and the responsible chemical components have not been identified. Scientists believe that the specific cultivar of Piper methysticum and the plant part are factors. An idiosyncratic immune-mediated process and a metabolic abnormality with CYP 2C6 enzyme deficiency have been suggested. It is also possible that chemicals other than kava lactones, such as alkaloids not present in synthetic products or not bioavailable in water extracts, may be responsible for hepatotoxicity from the organic extracts."
"Traditional kava preparations also contain glutathione, a compound that can protect the liver from certain toxins. Glutathione is removed from the purified extracts."
mehh im tierd of reading heres link do research:
Kava kava traditional use deaths - Google Search
Diphenhydramine deaths - Google Search
kava kava deths from NON traditional extracts:
2007 Kava Kava Report links 7 deaths and 14 liver transplants to the use of Kava.
Basicly alcochol/ethol extract.
"Interestingly, experimental studies and clinical trials suggest that water-based extracts are not toxic. However, there is an apparent cause and effect relationship between the ingestion of acetonic and ethanolic kava extracts and liver toxicity, but the exact mechanism is unknown and the responsible chemical components have not been identified. Scientists believe that the specific cultivar of Piper methysticum and the plant part are factors. An idiosyncratic immune-mediated process and a metabolic abnormality with CYP 2C6 enzyme deficiency have been suggested. It is also possible that chemicals other than kava lactones, such as alkaloids not present in synthetic products or not bioavailable in water extracts, may be responsible for hepatotoxicity from the organic extracts."
"Traditional kava preparations also contain glutathione, a compound that can protect the liver from certain toxins. Glutathione is removed from the purified extracts."
mehh im tierd of reading heres link do research:
Kava kava traditional use deaths - Google Search
Losway
New member
I dont know man, thats what i have,(Z) and at 50 oed im not feeling it
