So called studies!!!!!!!

gator_mclusky

Man on a Mission
I've been harping this for yrs and i happend apon a very interesting post.This is from Mr. X and he couldnt be more correct.

I get into a debate all the time that says this or that and they throw up a study and I say fu*k that study. Ive seen studies come aqnd go for yrs. One day theyre fact and the next theyre BULLSHIT!
Heres his post:
IMPORTANT: Studies are False and Misleading!
Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading. The majority is just fraud, deception and lies - the rest are bias and fake.

A lot of "study parrots" copy and paste studies and pretend to know what they are talking about; they are just guys who don't have enough experience to back up what they say. You'll see people on the forums posting study after study, yet most of the studies posted are fasle, misleading and bias. Full of lies created by the pharmaceutical industry and the food companies.

Think about it, if you released Drug A to the market, wouldn't you want studies which are "independent" (secretly funded by your company) to say this product is GREAT?

Isn't it interesting how a "safe" product like Vioxx, that had a lot of studies to back up it's use, became one of the worst drug company disasters. Many people died from using Vioxx and many others were hurt, but the studies done on Vioxx made it the next wonder drug. Now you see? Studies are pure garbage, don't believe them for 1 second.

A good example:

http://www.nature.com/news/2006/0605...7089-122a.html
"DeNino had uncovered one of the most serious cases of scientific misconduct reported in recent years. His boss, obesity expert Eric Poehlman, had committed scientific fraud for more than 12 years in numerous publications and grant proposals1. Now debarred from receiving federal research funding for life, Poehlman must repay $180,000 and is one of only two researchers ever charged in a US criminal court for misconduct."

http://www.boston.com/news/science/a...frauds?mode=PF

--Last March, Dr. Gary Kammer, a Wake Forest University rheumatology professor and leading lupus expert, was found to have made up two families and their medical conditions in federal grant applications. He resigned from the university and was suspended from receiving federal grants for three years.

--In 2004, federal officials found that Dr. Ali Sultan, then an award-winning malaria researcher at the Harvard School of Public Health, had plagiarized text and figures, and falsified his data -- substituting results from one type of malaria for another -- on a grant application for federal funds to study malaria drugs. Sultan resigned.

--As a researcher at Bell Labs, Jan Hendrik Schon made up or altered data in electronics experiments at least 16 times between 1998 and 2001, an investigation concluded. He was fired in 2002.

--The Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory said in 2002 that its reported discovery of two chemical elements in 1999 was based on bogus research. The results were retracted in 2001.

--Stephen Breuning, a well-known research psychologist, pleaded guilty in 1988 to falsifying research data on drug therapies for mentally retarded children while working for the University of Pittsburgh.

--In 1981, Dr. John Darsee, a Harvard cardiologist and medical researcher, was found to have faked data in an experiment on heart attacks in dogs. He was later found to have made up much of his data in more than 100 papers published over 14 years while he worked at Harvard and Emory University. Darsee was dismissed and cut off from federal research funds for 10 years.

--In 1974, Dr. William Summerlin resigned from Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York after admitting he had forged an experiment on the immune system's reaction to foreign tissue. He used a dark, felt-tipped pen on a white mouse and made it appear that tissue had been grafted successfully from a black mouse
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I take all studies with a grain of salt. I always put real world results miles ahead of any study.

Though to be fair, a lot of studies have helped many of us understand and come to new conclusions about everything for gear to suppliments, nutrition etc. You gotta know how to read between the lines so to speak. Thats why I fucking hate armchair scientists.
 
gator_mclusky said:
IMPORTANT: Studies are False and Misleading!
Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading. The majority is just fraud, deception and lies - the rest are bias and fake.




This is an overstatement at best.
 
DougoeFre5h said:
I take all studies with a grain of salt. I always put real world results miles ahead of any study.

Though to be fair, a lot of studies have helped many of us understand and come to new conclusions about everything for gear to suppliments, nutrition etc. You gotta know how to read between the lines so to speak. Thats why I fucking hate armchair scientists.
Well put.
 
gator_mclusky said:
IMPORTANT: Studies are False and Misleading!
Virtually ALL scientific studies are, at best, misleading. The majority is just fraud, deception and lies - the rest are bias and fake.


Was this determined by a study?
 
I think the key is...can researchers duplicate the findings in subsequent studies? If they can't or if vastly different results are noted then the red flag should go up. However, if you see a repeated result time after time you can have a much greater degree of confidence in the results and draw conclusions from them.
 
and very well conducted test/studies tend to be performed on people very unlike the people here .
who cares how a post menopausal woman reacts to hormone x or aromotose inhibitor x , its not what we need to know .
 
DADAWG said:
and very well conducted test/studies tend to be performed on people very unlike the people here .
who cares how a post menopausal woman reacts to hormone x or aromotose inhibitor x , its not what we need to know .
True...or they're done on animals. Sorry, but I'm not going to take the effects halo has on a rat as equal to a 200lb man (on a dosage per/lb. basis).
 
studies can be helpful and informative....theres been some good ones over the years
i enjoy reading research from trained medical proffessionals .....i think pubmed,ajm etc are a valuable resource for people like myself who are interested in the medical /health side of things.....(just like anything out there you need to form your own opinion on things)...........i find it hilarious when you get into an internet debate about Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and some joker slaps up a report on the effects of nandrolone on castrated rats and says
"see i told you nandrolone was suppressive" so i completely understand your frustration gator.............
 
rockape76 said:
studies can be helpful and informative....theres been some good ones over the years
i enjoy reading research from trained medical proffessionals .....i think pubmed,ajm etc are a valuable resource for people like myself who are interested in the medical /health side of things.....(just like anything out there you need to form your own opinion on things)...........i find it hilarious when you get into an internet debate about Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) and some joker slaps up a report on the effects of nandrolone on castrated rats and says
"see i told you nandrolone was suppressive" so i completely understand your frustration gator.............
Ditto. And then that misinformation gets cut/pasted and blessed on every board. People then reference the board, not the article. Critical thinking and analysis of what you read is important. Some younger people cannot tell the difference between textbook, scientific article (with possible bias, etc)information, and real life. The two do not always go hand in hand. Study results can be manipulated etc. I can only imagine how frusturating this must be for the veterans.
 
Dismissing studies just because they're studies does not make sense. One study here and there can be contradicted later but that doesn't mean all studies are false.
You should examine the entire study before making conclusions about them.
Posting a few cases of scientific misconduct does not prove scientific studies are unreliable nor does it prove you should not trust them. Each study is different and done by different people and should be approached differently.
 
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