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MasonBBK

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Hi, i am 195 pounds and 28 years old and i researched a lot before and i just need this last piece of advice.


With the combination of roids i am using during this cycle should i use winstrol or anavar? & what dose?

Weeks 1-8
Sust 325mg Every Week
20mg D-bol ED

I am using the winny/var for a more cut look and less water retention.
 
MasonBBK said:
Hi, i am 195 pounds and 28 years old and i researched a lot before and i just need this last piece of advice.


With the combination of roids i am using during this cycle should i use winstrol or anavar? & what dose?

Weeks 1-8
Sust 325mg Every Week
20mg D-bol ED

I am using the winny/var for a more cut look and less water retention.
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Dbol for 8 weeks? The Sustanon (sust) looks a little low too... Think 500mg would be better. Also Sustanon (sust) has short esters in it so it should be shot EOD to keep blood levels balanced.

I will let others chime in, but I think your research has been compromised by bad reference sources...

What is your cycle history BTW?
 
taking var/winny to cut may also be counterpreductive if your running dbol. i also think all doses listed are rather low.
 
guess i should have read that this is your first cycle. that being said just run the test at 500mg/week.
 
Completely missed that this is your first cycle. I agree with the others. 500mg test a week should be good to go. Not a fan of Sustanon (sust) for first cycles either. I would go with a test E.
 
MasonBBK said:
Hi, i am 195 pounds and 28 years old and i researched a lot before and i just need this last piece of advice.


With the combination of roids i am using during this cycle should i use winstrol or anavar? & what dose?

Weeks 1-8
Sust 325mg Every Week
20mg D-bol ED

I am using the winny/var for a more cut look and less water retention.
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Up the Sustanon (sust) to 500mg EW and run the Dbol for 4-5 weeks. Also, 8 weeks is a little short for a cycle. Sustanon (sust) is mostly long esters and will take a while to kick in. Shoot it EOD for the short esters and run that stuff at least 10-12 weeks. Make sure you are running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) throughout your cycle, such as Aromasin and keep some Letrozole on hand. Aromasin can be dosed at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary. I see no mention of post cycle therapy (pct) but run Clomid at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks and start it 2 weeks after last poke. Skip the Winstrol (winny) and anavar as your first cycle. I did dbol on my first cycle with Sustanon (sust). You just gotta make sure you're running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and you'll be fine. Good luck.
 
Italiano SPO said:
Up the Sustanon (sust) to 500mg EW and run the Dbol for 4-5 weeks. Also, 8 weeks is a little short for a cycle. Sustanon (sust) is mostly long esters and will take a while to kick in. Shoot it EOD for the short esters and run that stuff at least 10-12 weeks. Make sure you are running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) throughout your cycle, such as Aromasin and keep some Letrozole on hand. Aromasin can be dosed at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary. I see no mention of post cycle therapy (pct) but run Clomid at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks and start it 2 weeks after last poke. Skip the Winstrol (winny) and anavar as your first cycle. I did dbol on my first cycle with Sustanon (sust). You just gotta make sure you're running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and you'll be fine. Good luck.
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Italiano knows his shit OP. Do yourself a favor and follow his advice.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
That is how long it takes the long ester (Deconate) to clear enough to allow for recovery to begin....same as running Nandrolone Deconate.

Enanthate or Cypionate is 2 weeks....while Sustanon (sust) is around 3.
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Cool man....always love to learn a new thing :)
 
this is the list i go by as far as post cycle therapy (pct) goes. it list the compound and time to wait after last use.

Deca durabolan: 3 weeks
Equipoise: 17 - 21 days
Finajet/Trenbolone: 3 days
Primabolan depot: 10 - 14 days
Sustanon: 3 weeks
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days
Testosterone Suspension: 4 - 8 hours
Winstrol 8 - 12 hours
 
Italiano SPO said:
Up the Sustanon (sust) to 500mg EW and run the Dbol for 4-5 weeks. Also, 8 weeks is a little short for a cycle. Sustanon (sust) is mostly long esters and will take a while to kick in. Shoot it EOD for the short esters and run that stuff at least 10-12 weeks. Make sure you are running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase Inhibitor) throughout your cycle, such as Aromasin and keep some Letrozole on hand. Aromasin can be dosed at 12.5mg ED and adjust as necessary. I see no mention of PCT but run Clomid at 50mg ED for 3-4 weeks and start it 2 weeks after last poke. Skip the Winstrol (winny) and anavar as your first cycle. I did dbol on my first cycle with Sustanon (sust). You just gotta make sure you're running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and you'll be fine. Good luck.
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Okay thanks a lot for the help everyone.
How about this change?
How about if i do the first half of the cycle Dianabol and the second half Winstrol or Anavar; something like this:

Cycle
Week 1-10: 500mg Test Enanthate EW (or is 2x 250mg a week better?)
Week 1-10: Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Week 1-5: 30mg Dianabol ED
Week 6-10: (40mg Anavar ED) OR (50mg Winstrol ED)
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PCT
Week 7-10: Nolvadex 20mg & Clomid 50mg ED
Week 7-10: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED

Hows that?
 
MasonBBK said:
Okay thanks a lot for the help everyone.
How about this change?
How about if i do the first half of the cycle Dianabol and the second half Winstrol or Anavar; something like this:

Cycle
Week 1-10: 500mg Test Enanthate EW (or is 2x 250mg a week better?)
Week 1-10: Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Week 1-5: 30mg Dianabol ED
Week 6-10: (40mg Anavar ED) OR (50mg Winstrol ED)
_______________________
PCT
Week 7-10: Nolvadex 20mg & Clomid 50mg ED
Week 7-10: Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ED
Hows that?
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You are starting PCT before you even finish your cycle? If going with Test E, then start PCT two weeks AFTER your last inject.
 
Italiano SPO said:
You are starting PCT before you even finish your cycle? If going with Test E, then start PCT two weeks AFTER your last inject.
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Your right lol i missed that. You think this cycle is fine with the first have dbol and second half var starting PCT on week 12-14?
 
MasonBBK said:
Your right lol i missed that. You think this cycle is fine with the first have dbol and second half var starting PCT on week 12-14?
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Wait before adding the other compounds. Do Test only for your first cycle and then add things later as you progress. More than Test on your first cycle isn't going to be necessary. Save all that stuff for later.
 
Italiano SPO said:
Wait before adding the other compounds. Do Test only for your first cycle and then add things later as you progress. More than Test on your first cycle isn't going to be necessary. Save all that stuff for later.
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I appreciate the advice but why isn't it going to be necessary?
You don't think there would be better results when adding other compounds?
 
MasonBBK said:
I appreciate the advice but why isn't it going to be necessary?
You don't think there would be better results when adding other compounds?
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You are doing your first cycle so your body will respond to just Test very nicely. Why waste the money on the other compounds when you won't need them first time? All I'm saying is save your money and it will also help you learn in how you respond to different compounds. If you start stacking a bunch of shit together right from the getgo, you aren't going to know how to combat some of the sides you are getting. It's a progression bro....trust me on this.
 
Italiano SPO said:
You are doing your first cycle so your body will respond to just Test very nicely. Why waste the money on the other compounds when you won't need them first time? All I'm saying is save your money and it will also help you learn in how you respond to different compounds. If you start stacking a bunch of shit together right from the getgo, you aren't going to know how to combat some of the sides you are getting. It's a progression bro....trust me on this.
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I trust you bro. Thanks a lot for the help i really appreciate it.
I wish you good luck with what ever goal you are trying to reach.
 
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