Test and prop cut/strength log

[Bulldog2103]

I've tried the sarm ostarine and got really good strenghth gains so I believe it would be perfect for bridging to your next cycle. In fact, I have some that I may use for my pct protocol to maintain gains. That particular sarm is more for mass building and the s-4 seems to be designed as a hardening agent. However, the optical sides of s-4 have kept me away as that just seems like an unnecessary risk, more logs and research would need to be performed before I felt comfortable with that.

As far as hgh usage goes, not in the immediate future as I would like to get a couple of cycles under my belt as well as research every in and out of it before going forward.

 

[MN87]

Hm. Wasn't aware you took SARMs beforehand. What else have you taken? Any PHs?

Before this cycle, I never took anything. No SARMs, peps, PHs, or anything of the such... not even creatine or NO2 or whatever else is out there lol

I think I've decided against a few things. SARMs for one, just because, as you said, there hasn't been a whole lotta research done on em thus far. Plus there seems to be a lot of difference of opinion when it comes to their degree of suppressiveness, and this is not something I'm willing to take a chance on/experiment with. GH frag as well... it interested me for its fat loss properties, but as far as Ive determined, GH or the GHRPs I have would be much more effective (and practical) anyway.

I was looking into clen for post cycle therapy (pct) as well, but I think I've decided against that. That being said, although I have a rough idea of what I want to do for post cycle therapy (pct), I want to modify that as well. Looking into triptorellin and toremefine. May also run GHRPs + insulin for post cycle therapy (pct) and otherwise (though people recommend not to cut with insulin), still researching it. I know that very recently I posted against it in your log, but I've changed my mind since then haha. I just want my recovery to be fast and effective so that I can get my REAL cycle under my belt come spring. Plus lotta people seem to complain about losing strength coming off a tren cycle so I don't want that to happen.

Even though it may not seem like it, what with all the hard drugs I'm willing to experiment with right now, this really isn't something I'd like to make a lifestyle out of. Unless my life otherwise demands it, I firmly plan on being permanently off juice a year from now. I might still run moderate doses of various peptides to improve my overall quality of life, but nothing that would effect my health... but right now I just want/need to make the most of the time I spent on.

 

[MN87]

Anyway. Good day today Strength continues to slowly increase and I continue to bust through plateaus on my deficit... I think its from the increased test dose, I mean theres no way the tren could've already kicked in from my pin Wed night. Who knows, but I'm def glad I added it in. Bulldog you def have to keep me updated when you start pinning the tren so we can compare kick-in times.

PRs:
OHP 225x4
DB inc 135x7 (remember this is with my new form too... felt real good!!!)
BB inc 295x7
Flat 225x34

Was very close to 335x10 but couldn't lockout my last rep. Should have it next week no problem... meaning on to 345 for reps the next workout after! Can't wait to rep 365.

Tried reverse grip bench today... it was AWESOME. Feels much better on my tris than any other press variation I've done thus far!! I may not include it every work out, at least till I figure out my form, but I will definitely start incorporating it to some extent or another in my training.

Been bloated and feeling shitty recently but I really do attribute a lot of this to my increased fluid consumption. I've been having somewhere under 3 gallons a day... really unnecessary and I plan on aiming for a more reasonable amount.

Got my prami today.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Hm. Wasn't aware you took SARMs beforehand. What else have you taken? Any PHs?

Before this cycle, I never took anything. No SARMs, peps, PHs, or anything of the such... not even creatine or NO2 or whatever else is out there lol

I think I've decided against a few things. SARMs for one, just because, as you said, there hasn't been a whole lotta research done on em thus far. Plus there seems to be a lot of difference of opinion when it comes to their degree of suppressiveness, and this is not something I'm willing to take a chance on/experiment with. GH frag as well... it interested me for its fat loss properties, but as far as Ive determined, GH or the GHRPs I have would be much more effective (and practical) anyway.

I was looking into clen for post cycle therapy (pct) as well, but I think I've decided against that. That being said, although I have a rough idea of what I want to do for post cycle therapy (pct), I want to modify that as well. Looking into triptorellin and toremefine. May also run GHRPs + insulin for post cycle therapy (pct) and otherwise (though people recommend not to cut with insulin), still researching it. I know that very recently I posted against it in your log, but I've changed my mind since then haha. I just want my recovery to be fast and effective so that I can get my REAL cycle under my belt come spring. Plus lotta people seem to complain about losing strength coming off a tren cycle so I don't want that to happen.

Even though it may not seem like it, what with all the hard drugs I'm willing to experiment with right now, this really isn't something I'd like to make a lifestyle out of. Unless my life otherwise demands it, I firmly plan on being permanently off juice a year from now. I might still run moderate doses of various peptides to improve my overall quality of life, but nothing that would effect my health... but right now I just want/need to make the most of the time I spent on.

Yeah, I took it for a month and it was pretty effective. Other then otc test boosters (tribulus, DAA, Hcgenerate), it's the most hardcore i had gotten before this cycle. I believe it to be suppressive so I took some d-aspartic acid (test booster) after and until I felt I recovered. I only took 12.5 mg's and I would think that I would need double that or more to get close to what I feel on test. To be honest though, they don't compare, testosterone is a completely different animal and better overall experience. But I do believe ostarine has its purpose, I think it can be ran with great results on a deficit or for post cycle therapy (pct)/bridging.

I'm going back and forth on the clen, not sure that it makes sense. It seems that it isn't anti-catabolic unless mega-dosed so that sort of takes away what I believed would be the primary benefit. So i'm unsure on that, I may just give it to my sis who has run it once before and likes it as a fat loss aid.

Insulin? Very interesting.... I would definitely be interested in following that but I think it would be best during your bulk phase as it will generate hunger as well as help with transportation of nutrients to the muscles. But it wouldn't hurt to experiment with it so you get the dosing figured out pre-cycle as it sounds as if it may be your last.

I haven't concluded that I want to do this as a lifestyle as I am pretty much where I want to be physically already. With that said and being realistic, I imagine coming off and feeling mortal again will make it difficult to transition back into that state. But yeah, I would always prioritize my health over a good feeling but I will re-evaluate all of that during and after post cycle therapy (pct).

You've gained much more strength then I have on cycle so I do think it would be a good idea to find a compound to bridge you over to your bulk cycle. Perhaps the peptides can and will get it done but I without experience in the matter, we just can't say definitively.

 

[MN87]

Agree, I was satisfied with my physique even pre-cycle. Sure I have a lot of things I can work on from an aesthetics point of view, but I'm not perfect and I don't need to be. I'm very content with myself.

That being said, I definitely have heard about the whole mental addiction factor, but I don't think its an issue. I can honestly say my personality is zero percent different now than it was pre-cycle. Maybe it will change with the tren, but I don't anticipate it. The only thing that is different is my libido as I discussed earlier, and even then its not a big deal... and besides, there are peptides for that that work a whole lot better than test and tren does. So yeah.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Speaking of libido, I was looking into melanotan II and it seems interesting. It naturally tans the skin as well as increasing the libido. I don't know anyone who has used this but it would be cool to stay indoors in the air conditioning and get a nice tan with the added side effect of an increased libido. I may buy it when they have their big sale again at rui.

 

[MN87]

Yeah, I've read about melanotan. Dude you're in Socal, what do you need a tanning peptide for lol

I've also read that its difficult to dial in your dose on that stuff. Like, you go from whatever color you are to dark DARK... and there's no in between. Like obnoxiously dark. Some people complain about moles and freckles popping up too. That being said, the peptide definitely interests me... but for now I'll just hit up the booths around here lol

Crazy what science has conjured up though huh

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah I know, it's sunny everyday. I like being out in the sun, but it would be cool in the winter time to have something like that. But yeah, the question is, to what end? How many unnecessary chemicals are we going to introduce just to experiment.

Science is crazy, how about those myostatin inhibitors? That could be the next big thing once they perfect it and i'm sure they will for muscle-wasting diseases. That's how and why sarms was developed, though only ostarine was formally approved. After researching all of this because of general interest, it almost makes me want to be a chemist. But fuck that, i'll befriend one instead and pick his brain.

 

[MN87]

Yeah, shit is cray, but apparently legit myostatin inhibitors are prohibitively expensive. Like, we're talking tens of thousands for any worthwhile dose... the shit you find online is just snake oil.

Anyway. 515x4 on squats. Yay. I've been labeling all my numbers as PRs, which is unnecessary, since I wouldn't post the number in my thread if it WASN'T a PR... so from now on if I post a number, just assume its a PR.

The strength gains have been pretty cool but nothing too far from what I'd be capable of during a natural lean bulk. That being said, it's pretty awesome that I can make these kinda gains while cutting... thats the REAL magic of juice for me. Can't wait to see how this stuff acts on a bulk.

Still not sure if tren is kicking yet. Zero sides so far. I wonder how I'll finally know that it's working... I'm assuming I'll just start to see sudden strength increases on my otherwise semi-plateaued lifts like my bench press.

Also tried some overhead squats today. The form is gonna take some getting used to, but this shit is SICK core work, and I definitely see it improving not only my squat and SOHP, but also adding some nice ab size. In the past two days I've found two new favorite exercises... reverse grip bench and OH squats. Very nice additions and I definitely recommend em!!! I'd also like to add in some flexibility work, jerks and some box jumps again.

Noticed that my tris are WAY more defined than they were pre-cycle... can't wait to see the added definition post-cycle once the water drops.

 

[MN87]

I want to use this post to discuss some aspects of my training.

First, back training. Weighted pull-ups were my longtime favorite, but since I've bloated up they've been inconvenient and painful for me, so I've cut them out for the time being. So I've found some new favorites: close grip T-Bar rows, cable pulldowns, and cable rows. For grips I switch between a medium grip hammer grip and a close grip handle, with the handles slightly turned inwards. The rotation of these exercises will form the basis of my back training for the next few months (+ pull-ups once I drop the water weight). I get a huge benefit out of initiating the lift by retracting my shoulder blades, squeezing the contraction and doing slow/controlled negatives. This also helps me feel it more in my traps... hell, all the people I know in real life with the biggest traps don't even DO trap work but are just big on their back-work.

I plan on making back work a very big part of my 'bridge' time between cycles, as well as shoulder work.

Beginning with the conclusion of this cycle, and during my next cycle, I also want to prioritize lower body volume (add front squats, RDLs, etc), tris, traps, and abs.

What kinda ab work do you guys like to do? I want to do more weighted ab work.

 

[Ocdude]

Damn dude looking great! Def a follow for me, all your hardcore trying shit is really interesting to hear. Keep up the hard work!

 

[rowdybrad]

Awesome bro!

Great numbers too.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Nice job on the squats, you are consistently moving up every week. Dude, the overhead squats sound fun, i'll have to try that. I imagine the stabilizers in the core will be going nuts. How much weight, 225?

For abs, I hit the decline bench and hold a couple of 45's and do 25 reps. Then i'll drop a 45 and do oblique work and i'll throw in hanging leg raises where I kick above my head and it is absolutely killer in combination. I used to rep with 3 45's but I felt too much girth and thickness in my abdominals so I dropped the weight and now perform more reps.

I would imagine the tren should hit tonight based on half-life, hopefully that's the case.

 

[MN87]

Ocdude and rowdybrad, thanks for following! Hope to keep seeing you 'round these parts

 

[MN87]

Nice job on the squats, you are consistently moving up every week. Dude, the overhead squats sound fun, i'll have to try that. I imagine the stabilizers in the core will be going nuts. How much weight, 225?

For abs, I hit the decline bench and hold a couple of 45's and do 25 reps. Then i'll drop a 45 and do oblique work and i'll throw in hanging leg raises where I kick above my head and it is absolutely killer in combination. I used to rep with 3 45's but I felt too much girth and thickness in my abdominals so I dropped the weight and now perform more reps.

I would imagine the tren should hit tonight based on half-life, hopefully that's the case.

Lol hell naw nigga, 225?? An empty barbell was good enough for me today, the more comfortable I get with the form the more I will add, but for now I wanna get the form down pat. I'm very inflexible, but even the bar will give you a sense of how much core stability is required for the lift.

Forgot all about decline abs, I used to hold the weight behind my head and that worked better than weight on chest... will def start these up again soon!

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm the same way man, no flexibility. I just started adding stretching this week before cardio and weights as this cycle has made me noticeably less flexible with the new mass. The abs definitely get a better workout when you hold the weights above and behind your head. I came up with a pretty sweet exercise on the decline bench, I called it the Manmaker. I got the heaviest curl bar (110) and I would alternate skulls crushers with situps and it was no joke. And I would do the same with a pair of dumbbells, but I would do decline chest presses with those. That was very difficult because now you are sitting up with over 200 pounds of weights on your chest. I fucking loved it, i'll have to start that back up.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Dude, anything to report? Less bodyfat, night sweats, insomnia?

 

[MN87]

Nope. I feel fine. No sides.

No PIP or inflammation in the injection spot either, which is weird, because the same mg dose of prop gives me both. The most I can say is that, a day following each pin, I felt a quick warm tingle sensation in the space I pinned that lasts a second or two. As if someone was blowing hot air on it, but for like a second. Might sound weird, but that's really it.

Mixed the prop and tren in the same syringe and will pin my quad around 3... supposedly mixing is a good way to dull the PIP, so if this leads to less sore quads from now on I'll be very happy!

 

[Bulldog2103]

Good to hear, I hope you get that performance boost soon. And, you may not get to it this cycle but brother you have got to start pinning the glutes in your rotation. I feel damn near nothing and it has never impacted a workout since I switched over to it.

 

[MN87]

I know man, you're absolutely right. You would think I'd get better with injections with time but I swear I'm actually getting worse. Everytime I poke my quads I pull out because I'm afraid of hitting a nerve (I have my friend to thank for scaring me off with his own personal experience). Like today, I'm counting the pin marks on my quads, and it literally took 5 pokes before I settled on a spot. One of em I put the needle the whole way in and pulled out at the last minute just because I was nervous.

Oh, and I totally forgot to change the draw needle, so I ended up jabbing with a 20g a few times. Lolol that shit does NOT go in easy.

But yeah dude, still no tren sides... I even did an 800-some calories on cardio today, no tren wind or anything. Who knows, maybe it's already active and I'm just no reacting adversely to it. If not, upping the prop to 200 EOD was definitely the right decision as I wait for the tren to kick in, as it has contributed NICELY to my strength.

Week 8 begins tomorrow.