Hey guys, just wanted to follow up. I have come to the conclusion that i don't need juice, it isn't for me and if i continue to eat right and train hard i can get to where i want to be in the next year or two. I have been taking creature creatine everyday, drinking lots of water, and eating right along with protein shakes after workouts. The biggest change is that i have been eating clean and i have seen really good strength gains with just working out naturally. Thanks for the advice all you guys and i will keep you updated with pics of my progress soon