This really really sucks ass
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Nelson Montana
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Obviously the Clomid didn't help your e even when you were on it. That's way high -- lucky you're not prone to gyno.
This is more common than many people realize. You're a perfect candidate for therapy to raise free T. Go to www.proteinfactory.com and read about unleashed, SHBG and elevating free T.
This is more common than many people realize. You're a perfect candidate for therapy to raise free T. Go to www.proteinfactory.com and read about unleashed, SHBG and elevating free T.
stonecold54
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I am with nelson on this one. there are herbs that will raise free test. look into them before jumping on a cycle. I can swear by them. I can tell the difference when I am on a cycle as well.
stonecold54
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so how do you feel in everyday life? You might be looking at these tests as the be all end all of life, which they are not. these are averages they took from what they call average human beings. you can still be out of range and be normal. I didn't realize you have tried all the herbs. I might be with you on this one. maybe you just have a different chemistry that is more out of bounds than most people. I would be interested to see what your levels were before you ever touched a roid. do you have them?Silverback316 said:
stonecold54
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I don't know that any of us can give you an answer as you know your body best. I can say if it was me then I would shoot it but that is just because I love test.
GreasyGreek
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I think you're making a mistake.
GreasyGreek
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I understand what you mean, and I'm here to give support.
Here's some impressions I have...
You're young.
You have an incredible physique.
Now as I see it, you're main problem is with sex drive. This cycle aside, have you thought about what you're going to do when this cycle is over? Whatever the case, your HPTA will be worse off (to say the least) afterwards. In this regard, you're just hurting yourself more than helping. I know you've tried a lot of different things, and it's been over a year, but my suggestion is try to be even more patient. I'd go to a few different endocrinologists and explaining what happened to you exactly in the passed with your cycling incident. Tell them how you feel. How was your sex drive before the cycle? In my opinion, I'd give it some more hope that with time you'll go back more towards normal. However, the downside here is that steroids might not be the best thing to be using.
So then I see two choices. One, use steroids and be on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for the rest of your life (this won't even necessarily give you sex drive, maybe it will at first, but I've seen cases where prolonged usage has caused some people's to decrease from base... obviously with this point I'd ask as many people you know who are on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) to be as honest as possible with how their sex drive has been both before and during) The other choice is the harder one and, if not just for a while, the one I would opt for. And that of course would be to give it more time and see more doctors. Whatever you decide to do, or don't do, I wish you the best and I'm sure you'll let us know how it turns out.
Here's some impressions I have...
You're young.
You have an incredible physique.
Now as I see it, you're main problem is with sex drive. This cycle aside, have you thought about what you're going to do when this cycle is over? Whatever the case, your HPTA will be worse off (to say the least) afterwards. In this regard, you're just hurting yourself more than helping. I know you've tried a lot of different things, and it's been over a year, but my suggestion is try to be even more patient. I'd go to a few different endocrinologists and explaining what happened to you exactly in the passed with your cycling incident. Tell them how you feel. How was your sex drive before the cycle? In my opinion, I'd give it some more hope that with time you'll go back more towards normal. However, the downside here is that steroids might not be the best thing to be using.
So then I see two choices. One, use steroids and be on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for the rest of your life (this won't even necessarily give you sex drive, maybe it will at first, but I've seen cases where prolonged usage has caused some people's to decrease from base... obviously with this point I'd ask as many people you know who are on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) to be as honest as possible with how their sex drive has been both before and during) The other choice is the harder one and, if not just for a while, the one I would opt for. And that of course would be to give it more time and see more doctors. Whatever you decide to do, or don't do, I wish you the best and I'm sure you'll let us know how it turns out.
Silverback I am in the same boat as you are. I finished my last cycle early spring, and ran what I thought was a proper post cycle therapy (pct) of clomid and Nolv. I havent had a sex drive since. Im about going crazy here. I have had my levels checked and my levels were in range but on the low side, except for the prolactin level which was alittle high. I have not lost any muscle, or strength. I need my sex drive back because my relationship has been suffering. I have cialias, and my doc gave me some viagra, but Im 23 damn it I want to be normal. I was thinking of jumping back on also and running a post cycle therapy (pct) to beat all others. I figured I cant get much worse off then I am now. I still havent gone back on though, but I do have my buddy whom I get mine from on speed dial. I just dontknow what to do. If you get anymore info please let me know, and I will do the same. Good Luck, I know we need it
TxLonghorn
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This has got to be amazingly frustrating. I wish I had some actual advice, but all I can do is sympathize and offer my thoughts. I agree with greasy greek and try to normalize. But at some point you have to say, 'What the fuck,' and take the test.
Spectre
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Well, 15 months of recovery time should have done it. I say run the test for awhile, feel good, make some gains. But I would wonder if your sex drive would come back. Why? Dewd, is there some kind of stress in your life like working and school that could be getting you down and your pointing at the wrong thing? Run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and see if that gets you going in the end.
GreasyGreek
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This is the way I look at it:
You've tried so much already and it's not going to get too much worse. Why not try proviron? See how it makes you feel at 50mgs per day. Some will tell you it will cause negative feedback to your HPTA, but certainly less-so than a cycle of test...
You've tried so much already and it's not going to get too much worse. Why not try proviron? See how it makes you feel at 50mgs per day. Some will tell you it will cause negative feedback to your HPTA, but certainly less-so than a cycle of test...
Well it seems to me that one of either two things have happened to your body.
#1 is that you could have had normal free test and estrogen levels prior to your last cycle. You could have fallen into that catagory of people that never recover and must stay on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for life.
#2 which is most likly the case, is that these are your normal levels and you are stuck with them. It seems that since you have already tried just about every imaginable combo of drugs and herbs this could your bodys normal operating range.
Now if number two is the case you do have several options to get your free T up to a higher range. Proviron will help with your sex drive and it should free up more test. Androgel could be used to add at least 200 to 300 to your total test. It might just take this combo to make you feel normal. Only thing is that none of this will help you in the long run because you cant stay on these things for the rest of your life.
Doing any kind of cycle will only make things worse for you hpta, but this is something you have to decide on your own. If you are going to start anything I would suggest you get some good human grade test and not fuck with that nasty tornel shit. Good Luck Bro and keep us updated.
#1 is that you could have had normal free test and estrogen levels prior to your last cycle. You could have fallen into that catagory of people that never recover and must stay on Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for life.
#2 which is most likly the case, is that these are your normal levels and you are stuck with them. It seems that since you have already tried just about every imaginable combo of drugs and herbs this could your bodys normal operating range.
Now if number two is the case you do have several options to get your free T up to a higher range. Proviron will help with your sex drive and it should free up more test. Androgel could be used to add at least 200 to 300 to your total test. It might just take this combo to make you feel normal. Only thing is that none of this will help you in the long run because you cant stay on these things for the rest of your life.
Doing any kind of cycle will only make things worse for you hpta, but this is something you have to decide on your own. If you are going to start anything I would suggest you get some good human grade test and not fuck with that nasty tornel shit. Good Luck Bro and keep us updated.
gorilla_boy
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Silverback316 said:
The VANILLA GORILLA!
lol
Sorry, Dude
I'm just getting back to normal after about 5 or 6 months off. I feel for you.
Spectre
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HRT rocks bro, it ain't the end of the world. What's one shot a week, nothing at all... The real problem as I see it is that you are without kids so I would take an approach that you can have some in the future.. Maybe put some Silverback batter on ice or something. Consult your Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) physician.
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