I'm 38 years old and weight 183lbs with 13% body fat. I have been lifting since I was 15 yrs old. My body fat used to stay around 8% up until I was 34 yrs old and now I am having trouble getting it down and maintaning my muscle weight. My goal is to get back up to around 190 lbs (even though I have allways wanted to weigh 195-198 of solid muscle) with my body fat back down below 10% and I does not seem I can there no matter how protein shakes and chicken breast I eat. I have been researching the internet to find what I would need to get me back to where I was and it seems like winstol might be what I need, but I have read on here that it might not be enough to do it by itself. I'm a little scared of giving myself a shot because I know everybody says test is the best.
winstrol and trying to gain 10lbs of muslce
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Hacksquater
Trained and Educated
ranger1 said:
If all you want is 15 or so lbs of muscle, forget the juice!!!!!!!!!! Just get you're training act together, eating, rest/sleep and and all that and guaranteed you could do that wisely! Likely 20-30 lbs. If you are saying that you can't gain 15 lbs of mass by taking everything (except roids) to the next level, well I just can not buy that, sorry.
If you want to go hardcore, and put on 30+ lbs, well then I can understand the use of some test + for a cycle... But Winney is a WASTE for your goals in my opinion! Do you want to be a bodybuilder, or just have a nice physique?
BTW, just to let you know (if you don't already) metabolism does not slow with age, it has been proven. Older folks become less active resulting in less calories burned, and less muscle mass.
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markmansell
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Hacksquater said:
you'd juice, so why are you telling him not to? if he's been training all his life
and he's getting older he's gonna be maxed out. he'll need something extra to make gains.
You gonna see some shutdown with Winstrol (winny), Its going to KILL your libido. Iwould say do a complete cycle with test, but all depends on what you want, do you really wanna mess with your natural test at 38. If you wanna stay safe then do a Anavar (var) cycle at 50 mg ed for 8 weeks or go full blown with test and dbol, you will feel shutdown with everything except Anavar (var) , primo I am not sure about. Also be prepared to shed some of that hair if you do winny.
gator_mclusky
Man on a Mission
Ive been using Winstrol for many yrs. My fav. juice. Id say it would be a great idea. With a decent diet and 6 days a wk in the gym plus 100 mgs eod for 10 -12 wks of Winstrol-V you will have that 10 lbs and it will be solid muscle.
Ben Johnson won the Gold with it and they dont give it to race horses for nothing.
Winstrol is so similar in molecular structure that its almost like taking test libido wise and shut down wise.
Gator.
Ben Johnson won the Gold with it and they dont give it to race horses for nothing.
Winstrol is so similar in molecular structure that its almost like taking test libido wise and shut down wise.
Gator.
Winstrol
Winstrol as good as test for libido....lol....have you ever done winstrol alone, shoot there's even studies that have proved winstrol had no effect in raising libido, winstrol is a great drug but NOT test. Yeah it makes you look shredded but at the price of joint pain, hair loss and crashing your HDL. BTW I seen you banned at another site gator
Winstrol as good as test for libido....lol....have you ever done winstrol alone, shoot there's even studies that have proved winstrol had no effect in raising libido, winstrol is a great drug but NOT test. Yeah it makes you look shredded but at the price of joint pain, hair loss and crashing your HDL. BTW I seen you banned at another site gator
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Here's one for ya gator.
The University of Texas at San Antonio, Department of Biology, 6900 North Loop 1604 West, San Antonio, TX 78249, USA.
Anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse is increasing in teenagers. We examined the effects of stacked Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in adolescent male rats. Stacking, in which multiple Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are taken simultaneously, is commonly employed by humans. Beginning at puberty gonadally intact male rats received testosterone, nandrolone, or stanozolol. Additional groups received stacked AAS: testosterone + stanozolol, nandrolone + stanozolol, or nandrolone + testosterone. Injections continued during tests for sexual behavior, vocalizations, scent marking, partner preference, aggression and fertility. Body and reproductive tissue weights were taken. Sexual and aggressive behaviors were increased by testosterone yet inhibited by stanozolol; nandrolone had no effect. Stacking testosterone with stanozolol prevented the inhibitory effects of stanozolol. Body weight was decreased by testosterone and all stacked AAS. Cell nuclear androgen receptor binding in brain was significantly increased in nandrolone males and decreased in stanozolol males; testosterone males were slightly higher than controls. Androgen receptors in stacked groups were intermediate between individual Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) suggesting that stanozolol competed with other Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) for androgen receptors despite its low affinity. The results indicate that stacking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) influences the effects of individual Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) on behavioral and endocrine measures, and levels of androgen receptor occupation are not directly correlated with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) effects on behavior.
PMID: 16603236 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The University of Texas at San Antonio, Department of Biology, 6900 North Loop 1604 West, San Antonio, TX 78249, USA.
Anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) abuse is increasing in teenagers. We examined the effects of stacked Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in adolescent male rats. Stacking, in which multiple Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) are taken simultaneously, is commonly employed by humans. Beginning at puberty gonadally intact male rats received testosterone, nandrolone, or stanozolol. Additional groups received stacked AAS: testosterone + stanozolol, nandrolone + stanozolol, or nandrolone + testosterone. Injections continued during tests for sexual behavior, vocalizations, scent marking, partner preference, aggression and fertility. Body and reproductive tissue weights were taken. Sexual and aggressive behaviors were increased by testosterone yet inhibited by stanozolol; nandrolone had no effect. Stacking testosterone with stanozolol prevented the inhibitory effects of stanozolol. Body weight was decreased by testosterone and all stacked AAS. Cell nuclear androgen receptor binding in brain was significantly increased in nandrolone males and decreased in stanozolol males; testosterone males were slightly higher than controls. Androgen receptors in stacked groups were intermediate between individual Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) suggesting that stanozolol competed with other Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) for androgen receptors despite its low affinity. The results indicate that stacking Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) influences the effects of individual Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) on behavioral and endocrine measures, and levels of androgen receptor occupation are not directly correlated with Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) effects on behavior.
PMID: 16603236 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
gator_mclusky
Man on a Mission
No offense but ive beeen studying and using for yrs. Ive seen studies come and go. How old is that study? When I first started my research EVERY medical study states that Anabolic Steroids provided NO performance enhancing qualities. Obviously they were wrong.MENTZER said:
Ive never used Winstrol without extremely positive results.
I appreciate the study though,
Respectfully,
Gator
TheQuietMan
New member
gator_mclusky said:
Agreed.Winstrol is one of the most effective steroids I ever used.The joint discomfort was minimal for me.The only negative for winstrol for me was that it breaks me out in acne pretty bad.
Anavar,in my case,only works well when stacked with test.Winstrol is very effective by itself.
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Thoms
Guest
MENTZER said:
I've read similar studies where winstrol made rats docile, and test made them more agressive. So what? Even if true (for rats), we are trying to make gains here!
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Thoms
Guest
Ok now whe are not rats, test and Winstrol (winny) increase our mass, and the rats weren't working out. What was their diet? What was their LBM? What was their dosage? Since the rats were given Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) in puberty, low dosages might actually be supressive. You might even claim following that study that Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) don't work, and you would be incorrect. Also, the study has a clear agenda, namely adressing human teens and steroids.
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Thoms
Guest
Back on topic, I had some friends that used Winstrol (winny) only (oral) cycles. Amazingly, they made impressive gains. But I'm sure not everybody would react that well to it.
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Thoms
Guest
That was uncalled for.
I never said winstrol was bad. Its cheap and effective and makes you look good. One of the biggest pluses in no gyno, but hte joint pain sucks and the hair loss pisses me off. No disrespect meant for gator, I was just asking him since I have seen him around. Gator seems like a knowledgable dude and is perhaps older than me but I just disagreed with him about winstrol increasing sex drive, that was a first for me, and my intentioins were just to help the ranger1. Take it easy guys.
Hacksquater
Trained and Educated
markmansell said:
I'm bodybuilding, for one, not just trying to put a dozen more lbs on.
Secondly, if I did juice (and do and will) I'd go with something that would give me excellent results like Testosterone, and especially when considering age, and health, and longevity...
Lastly, these are just opinions obviously, for the benefit of hearing a variety of angles on a subject... Do whatever you think is best for you... I simply am biased since I have had go good gains from Winney whatsoever, and have a good deal of experience experimenting with it..
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Hacksquater
Trained and Educated
gator_mclusky said:
Well, the guys Ben raced lost using it too, but they just were more careful about not getting caught with it in their system. But there really is no doubt that the Winstrol is not what gave Ben the power that He possessed. He, like all the others, have used the whole spectrum of 'roids. The Winstrol was used primarily to help in the cutting process because even just 1 lb of additional mass in a sprinter can slow their time considerably.
Hacksquater
Trained and Educated
MENTZER said:
Personally, I had no libido increase using Winney alone at a whole slew of doses from low to high. Nor hair loss. I used both oral, and injectable (as well as both at the same time) and had basically all that I wanted of Winstrol V made by Winthrop which some consider the best (and it was the real deal). It did close to absolute nothing for me. That of course does not mean it would not do better for someone else...
Testosterone on the other hand is like a magic bullet!!! When on it, I can not get it down, almost! The libido gets just about out of control. My wife can't wait for me to go on again!
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gator_mclusky
Man on a Mission
Yea...its the real X. Thanks for the compliment....the board is coming around.MENTZER said:
You seem knowledgeable yourself.
The debate over Winstrol will go on and on. I personally think this is the most individualized Anabolic there is.....some love it and some hate it. Fortuneately for me over the yrs it has done nothing but positives.....especially stacked with Sostenon if one wants to pack on the weight. They are incredibly synergistic.
Yea....there wasnt enough room for Kronk and I over at IT and when you speak up and dont kiss ass to him you get banded.....LOL.
Look forward to future discussions.
gator
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