You guys are killing me with your doses

[Johny J]

I know i dont post on the anabolic section much, so some of you may not know me. However, i am a living legend on the convo, which means everything i say is correct and you bess recognize.

anyway, i read over here on occasion, just to keep up with current cycling trends and to learn a lil something. One thing i notice is that many of you guys use way to much gear. Yes with higher doses you will gain weight faster. However, much of this gain is just more fluid retention. You arent building more muscle.

In my opinion, you should use the least amount of juice possible to achieve gains. This makes sense for economic reasons, as well as for sides and overall well being. There is no reason to be running a gram of total gear most of the time.

Now many of you guys no what you are doing, so dont feel i am lecturing you. It is just easy to get caught up in it and increase your doses.
Before you know it, you are going up every cycle.

In all seriousness, keep running a low dose until you stop seeing good gains. Before you try just upping your dose, change up the gear you use.

Thats my public service announcment.

 

[Deep South Chris]

im going to run 500mg test a week and 300 deca..not super big at all..im just trying to figure shedual for injects..

 

[StoneColdNTO]

Thats my public service announcment.

And a damn good one it was at that......

 

[killaB750]

Wassup Johnny J, I agree with your post on using too much gear. I've always been conservative on my cycles as not to do too much for the reasons you stated. However, I've always been under the impression through reading forums and posts that in order to get gains from one cycle to another you must up the dosage. Is that a valid theory? I would assume that after a few years of 'uping the dosage' that you would soon reach the 2 gram a week dosages. I don't think that is at all safe, so what would you recomend? I've been just switching my test from sust to enan to prop, with tren, deca, and eq with some Winstrol (winny) here and there. Would this method work instead of uping the dosages?

 

[DADAWG]

Wassup Johnny J, I agree with your post on using too much gear. I've always been conservative on my cycles as not to do too much for the reasons you stated. However, I've always been under the impression through reading forums and posts that in order to get gains from one cycle to another you must up the dosage. Is that a valid theory? I would assume that after a few years of 'uping the dosage' that you would soon reach the 2 gram a week dosages. I don't think that is at all safe, so what would you recomend? I've been just switching my test from sust to enan to prop, with tren, deca, and eq with some Winstrol (winny) here and there. Would this method work instead of uping the dosages?

if you have exceeded your genetic limit then it might take 2 grams of gear to grow . less than 1% of the people on this board have exceeded their genetic limit so dont fool yourself into thinking different .

 

[Johny J]

Wassup Johnny J, I agree with your post on using too much gear. I've always been conservative on my cycles as not to do too much for the reasons you stated. However, I've always been under the impression through reading forums and posts that in order to get gains from one cycle to another you must up the dosage. Is that a valid theory? I would assume that after a few years of 'uping the dosage' that you would soon reach the 2 gram a week dosages. I don't think that is at all safe, so what would you recomend? I've been just switching my test from sust to enan to prop, with tren, deca, and eq with some Winstrol (winny) here and there. Would this method work instead of uping the dosages?

you dont need to keep uping the doses. You se, as you get bigger and more muscled, your gains will slow down. This isnt because you need more gear, but simply for the fact that physically, you cant go slapping on 25lbs of muscle every cycle. Before youknow it you would be 400lbs. As you get bigger, progress slows. However, proigress is progress. When your gains start becoming real small, try upping your dose a little. If the final result of that cycle is similiar to the final result fo the last one (you gained and kept 8lbs eacvh one) then the higher dose isnt needed.

Now if you up the dose and gain alot better, then keep it there.
Also, trying out different compounds is always a good idea. People react dsifferently to differnt things.
I see peoiple on here doing 75-150mg of fina ED. For me, that is way to much. Last time i ran fina, i used 50mg eod and it was too much.

 

[Popichulo]

My dosages have never changed since way back. Test Enan 500mg EW and Deca around 400mg EW, Dbol has always been 35mg ED, Winstrol (winny) 50mg EOD, EQ 400mg ED, Test Prop 100mg EOD. Dosages have never changed. I choose 2 compounds and run em.

 

[JohnnyB]

I agree JJ

JohnnyB

 

[DirkMoneyshot]

Amen!!!

 

[Johny J]

i must say, it felt nice to post something that wasnt absolutely worthless.

 

[kojie]

i must say, it felt nice to post something that wasnt absolutely worthless.

there is a first time for everything

 

[BADKITTY]

Holy shit, the anabolic section has brought out Johnny J's softer side! ... IMO you should post here more often; you'll gain a lot of credibility & you seem to actually know what you're talking about, despite what I read from you in Convo . Great post; i think something similar should also be put in the women's section!

 

[anabolicdragon]

Yeah I agree with Johnny. I sued to run 3 compounds at once. Deca, anardol, test. Dec, Dball, Test. Now I just run 2 with test being the base. Only time I hit a gram of test or more is when I am front loading. Usually I stay at 500 to 800mg week of test and then whatever oral I am running with it.
I have found that if I gain 10-15 pounds on a cycle and keep 50% if it I am happy since I am not a newbie now. I also found that running anything longer than 10 weeks doesn't work for me. At around week 7 or 8 I peak and the gains stop coming that is why all my cycles are 10 weekers.

 

[Rokomuscle1]

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In my opinion, you should use the least amount of juice possible to achieve gains. This makes sense for economic reasons, as well as for sides and overall well being. There is no reason to be running a gram of total gear most of the time.
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That is what I have been trying to tell people..... I still believe in a first cycle of 300 mg of test a week....

 

[Eze]

Nice post Johnny, I couldn't agree more.

Sometimes it's not the Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) doses that needs to be increases, it's the calories..... especially protein!!!!


Diet is way more important than the drugs.

 

[putin]

Wassup Johnny J, I agree with your post on using too much gear. I've always been conservative on my cycles as not to do too much for the reasons you stated. However, I've always been under the impression through reading forums and posts that in order to get gains from one cycle to another you must up the dosage. Is that a valid theory? I would assume that after a few years of 'uping the dosage' that you would soon reach the 2 gram a week dosages. I don't think that is at all safe, so what would you recomend? I've been just switching my test from sust to enan to prop, with tren, deca, and eq with some Winstrol (winny) here and there. Would this method work instead of uping the dosages?

No you dont have to increase the dosage to make gains. I've used the same dose for all cycles and maybe less, and I'm gaining good.

 

[reallittleguy]

Good post Johny J!!!!

 

[phatboy]

its funny how many of you come across so self-righteous. if youve been gaining with 300mg of test for 7 years, good for you. others may need or want to use more. it doesnt make them wreckless.

 

[RJ]

its funny how many of you come across so self-righteous. if youve been gaining with 300mg of test for 7 years, good for you. others may need or want to use more. it doesnt make them wreckless.

i don't see anyone coming across as self-righteous! JJ is just saying what he thinks and most other 'experienced' Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) users (i hate that word) have found. Using insane, or what most might think is insane dosages, may work for some. But most can gain substantially from lower more reasonable dosages, even after years of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) use.

I think JJ is just making the statement because how many posts do we see everyday from newbies to the game that say "How does 90000000mg/week Dbol/400000g Deca/week 550000000g/week test E sound for a first cycle?"?

Most young guys don't have the discipline to eat right and train right, much less cycle gear right.

No ones trying to be self-righteous, just trying to provide a little insight to what may help them more. God knows this board has the most 245lb, 6%BF, 600lb benching, 22yr olds I have ever seen. Of course it must be the high dosages!!! lol

Let's face it, who cares how big your casket has to be when you die??? You're still gonna be dead when they sling your ass in the dirt!!!

 

[Johny J]

No ones trying to be self-righteous, just trying to provide a little insight to what may help them more. God knows this board has the most 245lb, 6%BF, 600lb benching, 22yr olds I have ever seen. Of course it must be the high dosages!!! lol

[/B]

hey, its 255lb, 12%bf, 495lb benching 23 year old. which is currently a 238lb, 8%bf, 420lb bencvhing 23 year old.

HOLLAA!!!!