19 years old and retarded because i dont wanna listen to anyone

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Too Young......................PERIOD.

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20***8217;s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.


This is a dam good post! Almost thought this thread was worthless until this.

No one should ever condone the use of aas to teenagers or young males.

For all the 19-20 year olds on here coming out of the woodwork to give praise and acceptance.....you all just need to shut your mouths because you obviously don't have a f'n clue what is going on even if you think you do. Until you experience the down sides of using aas you won't understand it...someone tells you that you could experience ed problems, low sperm count, decrease in the quality of life....your thinking oh that's not bad I can handle it....until your there experiencing it for yourself...then all of a sudden your way of thinking changes to telling others to wait because life sucks now...kids are just to ignorant to really know what their actions may lead too
 
Too Young......................PERIOD.

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at anabolicfitness.com

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


shit ive seen 1000 times blah blah blah

Wow!! No post workout shake y? It is typical for a weight lifter to do that. Your just young n dumb. N for you other 20 year olds its not cool to floss that your juicing. Don't lean other young kids to do it.

thank you for your concerns but i'm still going through with this. the protein shake thing, if you guys think it is -that- important, i will start using. i just prefer eating real food and it seems to work. i've put on a lot of mass over the last year and a half - i used to weigh 180 (abs were still somewhat visible) but i've dieted down to my current LEAN weight. im not sure what you guys are expecting me to weigh? 190lb of muscle natural? lol!
 
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This is a dam good post! Almost thought this thread was worthless until this.

No one should ever condone the use of aas to teenagers or young males.

For all the 19-20 year olds on here coming out of the woodwork to give praise and acceptance.....you all just need to shut your mouths because you obviously don't have a f'n clue what is going on even if you think you do. Until you experience the down sides of using aas you won't understand it...someone tells you that you could experience ed problems, low sperm count, decrease in the quality of life....your thinking oh that's not bad I can handle it....until your there experiencing it for yourself...then all of a sudden your way of thinking changes to telling others to wait because life sucks now...kids are just to ignorant to really know what their actions may lead too

decreased quality of life? please.. i am already an insecure antisocial introvert (but ive always been the loner type :D ). why don't you have your mother ditch you and your entire family (at age 15) out of the blue on CHRISTMAS to be with another man she met online in a different country? believe me.. quality of life? i am an overall negative person - only thing keeping me going is work / college and this. however my added muscle has raised my confidence quite a bit (moreso than what it was prior to working out anyway) but i am still unimpressive with a shirt on. i COULD be big and fat in a shirt.. but i like being lean like i am now

now as i stated in the first sentence of the first post in this thread -

PLEASE DO NOT LECTURE ME ON MY AGE. I KNOW VERY WELL OF THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IM DOING ( I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING FOR A YEAR+) AND I HAVE TAKEN ALL PRECAUTIONS (INCLUDING A FULL CARDIAC CHECKUP) I WILL SIMPLY PUT YOU ON IGNORE IF YOU START FLAMING. THIS LOG IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY
 
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Anyway, 2nd day update!
I have a bit of soreness in my glute - nothing like what i was expecting with everything i've read about being unable to walk / sit and stuff. just a mild soreness :p
 
A theory like that holds no water man, and sounds ridiculous. That would be like saying any OTC drug could be a lie, because you don't actually know what it is.


OTC medications go through years of development / research, are FDA approved and have tons of medical research to back up their claims

meanwhile fitness supplements have no fda approval, no studies backing them up (only marketing and the bullshit written on the packaging), and don't even get me started on weight loss pills (hydroxycut and all that bullshit)
 
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didn't ask for any input - I'm simply logging for others to see. don't like it?

Deal with it.gif

They wont learn much, because your to in mature to teach anything never mind how to cycle.

Only thing that worries me is other 20 year old guys thinking that this behavior is acceptable.

You have not even reached your maximum potential yet and you think steroids are the answer.

You will loose it all when you come off, because your diet is not in check at 165 lbs.
 
thank you for your concerns but i'm still going through with this. the protein shake thing, if you guys think it is -that- important, i will start using. i just prefer eating real food and it seems to work. i've put on a lot of mass over the last year and a half - i used to weigh 180 (abs were still somewhat visible) but i've dieted down to my current LEAN weight. im not sure what you guys are expecting me to weigh? 190lb of muscle natural? lol!

I'm 1 INCH taller than you and got to 220lbs....NATURALLY....at the age of 21...look at my AVI.....11% at best at that weight.....good luck hitting both your natural and chemical max potential before you turn 21
 
I'm 1 INCH taller than you and got to 220lbs....NATURALLY....at the age of 21...look at my AVI.....11% at best at that weight.....good luck hitting both your natural and chemical max potential before you turn 21


lol.. 220lb of muscle natural? you expect me to believe that you've put on more muscle than frank zane, naturally?

fella,,i trained some monster naturals ,,truly naturals nto the balonie you her about on boards on internet,,the most talented ones ,,italians with good structure and genetic capacity good backs good arms,,they stopped at 185 8-10% they coudnt go up even a lb over at this condition ,,they just coudnt ,,and they were VERY SERIOUS LIFTING HUGE WEIGHT AND IN GOOD FORM ,,ALSO TRYING EVERY TECHNIC,,AND DOING ANYTHING YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH DIET,,INFACT THEY SAT ON TABLE AND DIDNT WORK ONLY ATE ALL DAY EVERY 2 HOURS,,NO WORK SINCE LIVED HOME,,

naturals do not go over 185lb at single digit at 5'10!!! reduce or add 5-7lb per inch
gh15 approved

and if you don't know who gh15 is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjnqUuH-vA&feature=player_embedded#!

5'10 185 8-10% will only happen if you sit in your house all day long,,do absolitely nothing but eating and eating good foods naturally most of time,,waking up every day at 2 pm,, sleeping goodf 8-10 hours a night,,having no job beside few hours in gym a week,, and having the best genetic respond to training possible for natural ,,


do you know many who will do it? do you know many that will waste their life for over 3-4 years doing this? usually they will quit or get severely depressed after doing it repetedly 3-4 years and quit or go hormone route,,

dismissed
 
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Too Young......................PERIOD.

What appears below was developed by a number of our good friends at www.anabolicfitness.com

Veteran Consensus Statement on the age of initiation of Anabolic use.


Anabolic steroids promote strength gain, muscle synthesis, and increased metabolic capacity. Their responsible, moderate use improves athletic performance, cosmetic appearance, and perceived social opportunity and self-esteem. However, anabolics achieve their effects by perturbing the human endocrine system, a complex feedback mechanism of glands and organs that are, in healthy and youthful persons, in an exquisite state of natural balance. Compounds like anabolic steroids that alter this balance are appropriate for use only by mature, well-trained athletes who understand these drugs, their risks and their benefits. Except in the case of prospective users of clear promise for national or international ranking in a sport, realistically hopeful for the kinds of benefits such ranking confers, the following should be characteristic of anyone, of any age, prior to the addition of anabolic steroids to a training regime:


1. PHYSICAL MATURITY. Anabolics can, through either direct or indirect effects, cause premature closure of the epiphyseal plates (growth plates) at the end of bone, an irreversible effect that may result in permanently shorter stature than the athlete would otherwise achieve. Therefore, the athlete should have reached full physical stature and maturity of the skeleton before contemplating anabolic use. In most cases, full stature is not reached until the very late teens and, in many cases, development of both long skeletal bones and joint assemblies (hips and shoulders) continues into the early 20's, development of the larynx (voicebox) into the mid-20***8217;s.


2. SIGNIFICANT MATURE MUSCULARITY. Anabolics have poor effect, or transitory effect, on athletes in mediocre condition; in addition, their tendency to boost muscle strength ahead of the strength of supporting tendons and ligaments can lead to debilitating injury in athletes without substantial prior training. Therefore, the athlete should have accumulated a significant amount of mature muscle mass and tendon strength through a dedicated program of resistance training prior to beginning anabolic use. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in training efficiency and effects, a minimum of 3 years, perhaps as many as 7, of dedicated weight training is required to achieve this necessary physical foundation, on which anabolics can be used safely and to best effect.


3. THOROUGH KNOWLEDGE. Anabolics are not a substitute for proper technique or applied knowledge of the basics of exercise physiology. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have a very thorough and detailed knowledge of lifting technique, dietary practice, recuperative processes, and hormonal and nonhormonal supplementation, and should if possible prepare for the use of anabolics under the guidance of a trusted mentor who has mastered these issues. In particular, the athlete should have an excellent understanding of the uses, effects, and risk profiles of anabolics, and should be thoroughly conversant with the kinds of ancillary agents that minimize side-effects and speed post-cycle recovery. Recognizing that there is substantial individual variability in the pace at which this knowledge is acquired, at least a year of arduous study and reading is necessary to understand anabolics and post-cycle recovery, and at least 4 years of practice is required to establish the requisite knowledge base of lifting technique, recuperation, and diet.


4. PSYCHOLOGICAL MATURITY. Anabolic steroids can have marked effect on mood and disposition, either during the cycle of active use, or its aftermath. Therefore, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should have the psychological health and maturity that will enable him or her to use anabolics with minimal social, psychological, and legal risk to both him/herself and his/her network of partners and collaborators. In addition, the athlete should be firm enough in purpose and balanced enough in approach to understand not only how and when to initiate use of anabolics, but how and when to curtail or abandon use safely should that need arise.


The use of anabolic steroids is unwise for persons who have not satisfied these prerequisites, though exceptions may be made in cases of very unusual athletic promise. While not a function of mere calendar age per se, it is unarguable that, on average, the likelihood that these conditions will have been met increases as the age of the prospective anabolic user increases.


For the reasons adduced above, the following statement of consensus opinion is made:

Allowing for substantial individual variability, and with the exception of cases of truly outstanding athletic promise, the athlete considering the use of anabolics should be socially and physically mature, psychologically healthy, and should have completed 4 to 7 years of dedicated, mentored training in strength/endurance athletics and study in lifting technique, dietary practices, recuperation skills and supplementation. In most cases, the athlete will have reached the age of 21 before these prerequisites are in place, recognizing that many athletes will not have achieved the necessary experience, physical maturity, and psychic balance until their mid-20's or even later.

decreased quality of life? please.. i am already an insecure antisocial introvert (but ive always been the loner type :D ). why don't you have your mother ditch you and your entire family (at age 15) out of the blue on CHRISTMAS to be with another man she met online in a different country? believe me.. quality of life? i am an overall negative person - only thing keeping me going is work / college and this. however my added muscle has raised my confidence quite a bit (moreso than what it was prior to working out anyway) but i am still unimpressive with a shirt on. i COULD be big and fat in a shirt.. but i like being lean like i am now

now as i stated in the first sentence of the first post in this thread -


I'm sorry about your life but you still don't know shit and you won't because you don't listen...you have the xcuses down though that's for sure
 
I'm sorry about your life but you still don't know shit and you won't because you don't listen...you have the xcuses down though that's for sure

i know enough to get me through this cycle :D more than you would think.. how would you know what kind of knowledge i possess? now please no more cluttering this thread.. it is a LOG not a debate. i could do what most people would do - come back under a new username and say i'm 26 at 180lb. but im just being real with you guys
 
Dude you have your whole life ahead of you. If u think juicing makes you happy then you need help. We all have are problems. I also been through a lot of fucked up shit. I spent 5 years in jail for something I didn't do. Talk about weeeaaakkk!! Lol
 
Dude you have your whole life ahead of you. If u think juicing makes you happy then you need help. We all have are problems. I also been through a lot of fucked up shit. I spent 5 years in jail for something I didn't do. Talk about weeeaaakkk!! Lol

lol yeah.. what do you mean by 'whole life ahead of me' ? working 45+ hours a week ? might as well live it up while i can in the easiest portion of my schooling. i look at things from a realistic point of view.. not much of an optimist :p
 
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im upset some of our members didn't take more of a responsible stance with the OP...

how the hell do you tell a 165lb guy to do gear??

i dont care if you think your diet is correct.. it isn't.. dont bullshit yourself, cuz your not bullshitting anyone here...

what a mess.... its sad to see so many young guys doing stupid shit like this..

cant you see that every mod who has commented on this thread has told you the same thing?? wait, get the diet checked...

its your body... you only have one... be smart with it


get in the diet section and get your diet checked...
 
just ate breakfast.. 5 whole eggs, 5 strips of bacon and oatmeal 8 - )
 
looks like the OP needed a time out because he doesn't know how to talk to staff members over PM...
 
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