Actual Custom Cycle Used To Turn Pro

[3rdGroupSF]

Damn, tough crowd here at Steroidology.

Haha, they are a bunch of good guys will alot of good information. Just some things clash. I wouldn't take it personally. It's the best AAS forum out there. You don't have to deal with the constant flaming, and people here actually want to help you....even for idiots like me who has a new question every other day to post.

 

[DADAWG]

Yeah, I seem to get more sides from Deca as I raise dose so for me I usually only run maybe 200mg Deca weekly then after 5-6 weeks it seems to negatively effect my sex drive just enough I would rather go without it. I can tolerate high dose test so that is my normal base drug.

to many people run around trying every new drug that comes and goes but good old test has stood tall all these years . IMO for what its worth test should always be the base of any cycle.


as far as deca sexual sides ive never had a problem but many swear by caber and prami as the holy grail for fixing deca dick and if it would work for you that would really open things up as far as keeping deca running in your cycles for JOINTS and LEAN MASS.

test / deca /dbol , if you cant grow on that stop lifting and take up knitting lol.

 

[DADAWG]

lets not flame our new friend fellas , nothing wrong with healthy debates . hes also contributed some nice graphs and medical research .

 

[heavyiron]

to many people run around trying every new drug that comes and goes but good old test has stood tall all these years . IMO for what its worth test should always be the base of any cycle.


as far as deca sexual sides ive never had a problem but many swear by caber and prami as the holy grail for fixing deca dick and if it would work for you that would really open things up as far as keeping deca running in your cycles for JOINTS and LEAN MASS.

test / deca /dbol , if you cant grow on that stop lifting and take up knitting lol.

Yup, that is exactly why I chose those three AAS for this competitors mass phase of his cycle. I believe the Deca, D-bol, and Test combo is pretty hard to beat for mass but he wanted Tren too so things REALLY took off for him.

I have used Caber and Prami (I'm on Prami now) but for some reason it does not help my sex drive that much. Dropping Deca makes a huge difference so I usually end up going that route. I have no issues with libido on Tren though. It actually seems to increase my libido.

 

[DADAWG]

Yup, that is exactly why I chose those three AAS for this competitors mass phase of his cycle. I believe the Deca, D-bol, and Test combo is pretty hard to beat for mass but he wanted Tren too so things REALLY took off for him.

I have used Caber and Prami (I'm on Prami now) but for some reason it does not help my sex drive that much. Dropping Deca makes a huge difference so I usually end up going that route. I have no issues with libido on Tren though. It actually seems to increase my libido.

maybe use NPP so you can jump on and lube the joints then jump back off when sexual sides kick in . i wouldnt reccomend newbies try to keep up with that but an advanced cycle has to get creative at times.

 

[heavyiron]

maybe use NPP so you can jump on and lube the joints then jump back off when sexual sides kick in . i wouldnt reccomend newbies try to keep up with that but an advanced cycle has to get creative at times.

Yeah, I totally agree.

I'm on a TON of HGH right now so my joints are feeling good and I have no sexual sides but man Nandrolone rocks for when my joints hurt so the NPP is a great option for a quick response.

 

[Teutonic]

Heavy...after reading this as it develops I want to encourage you to hang around. We all react to differantly...and deca..though I used to love it when I cycled kills me as well...so I run minimal amounts 100 a week..to keep walking !

I love it when there s an informed differance of opinions and I m not nearly as knowledeable as most experienced users.

All I ve ever done is test deca dbol and proviron..so I refrain from wading in on shit I don t know about.

But learning is my thing...too old to try new drugs but never to old to absorb new knowledge.

Good job at backing up your post and I take my BULLSHIT comment back.

Repped for resilience.

 

[heavyiron]

Heavy...after reading this as it develops I want to encourage you to hang around. We all react to differantly...and deca..though I used to love it when I cycled kills me as well...so I run minimal amounts 100 a week..to keep walking !

I love it when there s an informed differance of opinions and I m not nearly as knowledeable as most experienced users.

All I ve ever done is test deca dbol and proviron..so I refrain from wading in on shit I don t know about.

But learning is my thing...too old to try new drugs but never to old to absorb new knowledge.

Good job at backing up your post and I take my BULLSHIT comment back.

Repped for resilience.

Thanks brother, no worries.

I have a great passion for PED use and this stuff practically consumes my life. I absolutely love learning and sharing when it comes to chemical enhancement so this is who I am. I sincerely hope to bring a different perspective but I have no doubt that I will also learn from the challenges here.

 

[nerdalert]

threads like this keep people coming back here. It's nice to see alot of the more knowledgeable guys on here in one place. Great info guys here as well as a good read. I have seen HeavyIron around and he is a solid addition to the board for sure.

 

[heavyiron]

threads like this keep people coming back here. It's nice to see alot of the more knowledgeable guys on here in one place. Great info guys here as well as a good read. I have seen HeavyIron around and he is a solid addition to the board for sure.

Thanks brother.

I kind of wish I would have explained this cycle better and broken it down a bit more. The changes this guy made were profound. I honestly think I should have spent more time developing the "why" of this cycle. Might have to write something up soon.

 

[heavymetalind]

I was always under the impression that running to 19nor together was a no go?

 

[TheMilkMan]

What I find most interesting is that the doses here are very mild for a top level competitor no matter what. I know gym rats running a couple grams total and look nothing like a top level competitor. Very interesting post. As a powerlifter/strength athlete, this cycle is irrelevant for me but shows that lower doses than "typical" can and are incredibly effective.

 

[heavyiron]

I think your average gym rat uses the higher dosed drugs as a crutch to cheat on diet and training without realizing you really can't cheat on nutrition or training to be a bodybuilder.

When I was a young man I used high doses and ate everything in sight. I gained strength and size but honestly did not look that great.

 

[Phatbastard]

I think your average gym rat uses the higher dosed drugs as a crutch to cheat on diet and training without realizing you really can't cheat on nutrition or training to be a bodybuilder.

When I was a young man I used high doses and ate everything in sight. I gained strength and size but honestly did not look that great.

Welcome Heavy______

Im Glad to see this particular Comment! As I have been touting this philosophy since I have been a memeber here! Quite often LESS IS MORE but thats only some thing one learns with experience!

 

[heavyiron]

Welcome Heavy______

Im Glad to see this particular Comment! As I have been touting this philosophy since I have been a memeber here! Quite often LESS IS MORE but thats only some thing one learns with experience!

Thank you for the welcome brother.

I totally hear you but I'm still stuck in some of my old ways =)

I like high doses still, I just realize dialing in nutrition and training are more important.

 

[Logical]

I think your average gym rat uses the higher dosed drugs as a crutch to cheat on diet and training without realizing you really can't cheat on nutrition or training to be a bodybuilder.

this is absolutely true, and i think we've all seen evidence firsthand

 

[heavymetalind]

I was always under the impression that running 2 19nor's like deca and tren together was a no go???

 

[heavyiron]

I was always under the impression that running 2 19nor's like deca and tren together was a no go???

I think if doses are reasonable and you take preventive measures it's fine for an experienced user.

 

[juced_porkchop]

that cycle is awfull from the start.
5 weeks of deca is as useless as tits on a boar hog.7 weeks of test eth isnt much better and its tapered down at that . it gets even worse he runs 2 WHOLE WEEKS of tren eth lol.whoever made this cycle up has absolutely no idea about steroid esters and half lifes.

TOTALLY AGREE!
what a mess

 

[juced_porkchop]

water to the joints and length of cycle to optimize gains are a different beast . that being said at our age the deca is probablly more important for our joints than our gains lol.

AMEN on the joints!
ilove 100mg or so with my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) when off cycle.