All Human Grade Created Equal?

[alphamale_devon]

I wanted to get some feedback on this matter about human grade gear. Is all HG superior to UGL labs? Does other Pharmas make HG better then another Pharmas? I'm asking cause I'm planning my next cycle with is gonna be my 4th one for Strength:
Test:???
Tren:???
Halotestin:???(maybe)

The reason for the question marks is because I'm not sure if I have the confidence to make a solid decision on the ester type(I would dream of using the prop esters).

I been dealing with these UGL and as far as Short esters, I know that when I inject I get the red swelling and it's hot, and off the top I gotta cut that shit with some cotton seed oil. Fuck that shit, lol... I wanna know will I get that same reaction from the HG like some of the UGL? It's Due to the BA these guys make it with, sometimes the content is high sometimes it's make low, I'm through with rolling the dice on this shit and since it's EOD injections the swelling won't go down for like 2weeks.

If you guys can give me truth and build my confidence about this, then I'll be using short esters for that cycle, if n't long ester.

Age:26(My Bday today)
6'1''
260lbs
bf: 14%
9 years of lifting- 5 years of nutrition
I'm already on a cutting cycle right now:

Test E: 500w 1-14
EQ:400w 1-12
Tbol:40mg ED 1-6

Adex 0.5 EOD

(24week Cutting)

Mon
Chest-Tri & cardio
Tue
Back-bi's & cardio 30mins
Weds
Shoulders-abs & cardio 30mins
Thurs
Legs-cavles cardio 30mins
Fri
cardio 1hr
Sat
cardio 1hr
Sun
cardio 2hr(protein in between hours)

I'm at the end of the 9th week and just got my shit today.My bad should save that for a log lol.


Last Question: How do you pop those tops on those amps? I heard that they are a bitch to open, from what I heard over the years.

 

[Zeek]

Here is the reality behind HG gear available to us on the black market, this does not apply to stuff you get with a script from your local pharmacy mind you.

Most HG gear on the black market is not HG at all but dressed up counterfeits. Even long time users occasionally get had and end up with some crap.

HG varies from country to country also. Iranian HG is not the same as USA or EU HG.

prop is prop regardless of who makes it. It is the prop itself that causes the reaction you describe in those sensitive to it.

 

[alphamale_devon]

Here is the reality behind HG gear available to us on the black market, this does not apply to stuff you get with a script from your local pharmacy mind you.

Most HG gear on the black market is not HG at all but dressed up counterfeits. Even long time users occasionally get had and end up with some crap.

HG varies from country to country also. Iranian HG is not the same as USA or EU HG.

prop is prop regardless of who makes it. It is the prop itself that causes the reaction you describe in those sensitive to it.

Prop is prop is prop is prop, but the ba content they make it with varies and that's what I hate.

I figure they would do something like take some of there own shit and throw it in amps and say its HG. That's why I wanted to go with "The Uncle" I'm sure he keeps it real, so to speak.

 

[Phatbastard]

I don't hear a ton of people getting along well with Prop! Unless your doing a drug tested compitition I don't really see the point of short esters! Most people are going to run them for months at a time any way!

Guess everyone wants to look like that silly ass tomato filled with pins our mothers kept around the house? If your in a situation where you cants have it in your system like a blood test or some thing I just don't see the point!

Stoping long esters and switch to short for last couple weeks leading into contest sure but why else?

 

[chocolatemilk]

There is no difference in synthetic testosterone and human grade in terms of the testosterone molecule. Quality and dosing is the biggest difference. All gear I've used is USP grade and have never had a problem even with the propionate ester. I live propionate. Try phenyl propionate if regular test prop is a pain in the ass (literally)

 

[alphamale_devon]

I don't hear a ton of people getting along well with Prop! Unless your doing a drug tested compitition I don't really see the point of short esters! Most people are going to run them for months at a time any way!

Guess everyone wants to look like that silly ass tomato filled with pins our mothers kept around the house? If your in a situation where you cants have it in your system like a blood test or some thing I just don't see the point!

Stoping long esters and switch to short for last couple weeks leading into contest sure but why else?

There are plenty or reason for short eaters being the shit which I can't vet into detail cause I'm at work

 

[Zeek]

There are plenty or reason for short eaters being the shit which I can't vet into detail cause I'm at work

If you can access true HG prop I say give it a whirl! true human grade is often dosed very low per ml also which helps with the discomfort issues. 50mg per ml is standard HG prop mg/ml.

It is very hard to obtain though, I myself could not find any when I was looking for some and I have 50 or more sources I can check with.

 

[ChrisWho?]

Prop is prop is prop is prop, but the ba content they make it with varies and that's what I hate.
I figure they would do something like take some of there own shit and throw it in amps and say its HG. That's why I wanted to go with "The Uncle" I'm sure he keeps it real, so to speak.

Where are you coming up with this? Labs don't just dump a shit load of BA in it. It's the prop ester, not ba, it's also been shown that up to 10% ba doesn't hurt.

Ugl's and brewers stick to a ratio for ba/bb. Adding more ba does not make them more money, make the brew anymore sterile etc.

2-5% BA is what is used and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between those. Many things cause sore injections and it's near impossible to pin point it to ba.

 

[crazyfmike]

HG tren....lol

 

[crazyfmike]

Where are you coming up with this? Labs don't just dump a shit load of BA in it. It's the prop ester, not ba, it's also been shown that up to 10% ba doesn't hurt.

Ugl's and brewers stick to a ratio for ba/bb. Adding more ba does not make them more money, make the brew anymore sterile etc.

2-5% BA is what is used and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between those. Many things cause sore injections and it's near impossible to pin point it to ba.

5% BA or 2% BA . . . no one can tell the difference and have to agree with 10% being the tipping point for PIP. As Bro states: it's all about saving a buck here and there.

Bugs in the gear is more likely to cause PIP then solvents in 98% of the population.

Just my .02

 

[Zeek]

HG tren....lol

Nice catch Mike!

Tren does not exist in HG form today. At one time it did as parabolan but that has not been made by an HG facility in years.

Also finding HG prop is like looking for a unicorn today, it's just so rare and expensive if you can find it.

 

[ChrisWho?]

HG tren....lol

lol, I thought the same thing. Most over at the other board pm are convinced Balkan parabolan is hg.

 

[alphamale_devon]

Where are you coming up with this? Labs don't just dump a shit load of BA in it. It's the prop ester, not ba, it's also been shown that up to 10% ba doesn't hurt.

Ugl's and brewers stick to a ratio for ba/bb. Adding more ba does not make them more money, make the brew anymore sterile etc.

2-5% BA is what is used and you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between those. Many things cause sore injections and it's near impossible to pin point it to ba.

Shyytt!!! The BA is what give me those red hot swollen lumps!!! They said (UGLs) BA content is 2% I have had short ester ones that's contain 7% and I had to cut that shit. It's not the soreness, that's some pussy shit lol. I enjoy my shots, if it's 2x a week or 4. It's the fact I hate when I'm gambling on a source I been going has different BA content and if I wanna short ester inject, I don't want to have my no red hot lumps to delay my EOD injections.

It's all I'm saying

Then again, I'm sensitive to the Certain high level of BA content.
I don't understand it.

 

[alphamale_devon]

lol, I thought the same thing. Most over at the other board pm are convinced Balkan parabolan is hg.

lol

 

[Phatbastard]

There are plenty or reason for short eaters being the shit which I can't vet into detail cause I'm at work

Ha ha so when u get off lets get into it!

HG tren....lol

I so lmfao Tren has never been Human grade and doubt iy ever will be!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

There is no difference in synthetic testosterone and human grade in terms of the testosterone molecule. Quality and dosing is the biggest difference. All gear I've used is USP grade and have never had a problem even with the propionate ester. I live propionate. Try phenyl propionate if regular test prop is a pain in the ass (literally)

there can be quite a difference between testosterone from manufacturer to manufacturer......................ive even seen jelfa not pass sterility...............and they can be altered in order to pass patent, or made with different raws..............

Hudson's Guide: Bioidentical Testosterone

its not just the BA in prop that makes it sting, the AA in the ester will also cause irritation unlike say cyp ester.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Shyytt!!! The BA is what give me those red hot swollen lumps!!! They said (UGLs) BA content is 2% I have had short ester ones that's contain 7% and I had to cut that shit. It's not the soreness, that's some pussy shit lol. I enjoy my shots, if it's 2x a week or 4. It's the fact I hate when I'm gambling on a source I been going has different BA content and if I wanna short ester inject, I don't want to have my no red hot lumps to delay my EOD injections.

It's all I'm saying

Then again, I'm sensitive to the Certain high level of BA content.
I don't understand it.

jelfa still uses 10% ba in their product, BA doesnt cause pain unless you shoot a shitload of it, i mean like ml.

@ 10% there is only 1ml in the whole bottle.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

5% BA or 2% BA . . . no one can tell the difference and have to agree with 10% being the tipping point for PIP. As Bro states: it's all about saving a buck here and there.

Bugs in the gear is more likely to cause PIP then solvents in 98% of the population.

Just my .02

good post