Androlean...Part of your next cut?

[tednatas]

yes!^

All threads should have her in it. I would kill for a piece of that

 

[tednatas]

 

[Doctor Dan]

Attached is bloodwork from when the Testosterone Recovery Stack was first introduced.

Client of Eric's, 40 years old, coming off of an 8 week cycle, instructed to use Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 (two of the three components in our TRS).

Out of curiosity, how do you know that this recovery wouldn't have happened without any PCT on-board?

YOU DON'T.

With any of this kind of thing, I want to see CLINICAL evidence. That's not user logs or single instances, it's head-to-head double-blind studies with dozens to hundreds of guys enrolled in each study arm.... you know, the way research is actually conducted in the world of medicine, not the world of bullshit.

Now excuse me while I pin a few things that I have medical journal articles on which demonstrate that they actually work as advertised in clinical trials... what a novel concept.

- Dan

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[HereToStudy]

Out of curiosity, how do you know that this recovery wouldn't have happened without any PCT on-board?

YOU DON'T.

With any of this kind of thing, I want to see CLINICAL evidence. That's not user logs or single instances, it's head-to-head double-blind studies with dozens to hundreds of guys enrolled in each study arm.... you know, the way research is actually conducted in the world of medicine, not the world of bullshit.

Now excuse me while I pin a few things that I have medical journal articles on which demonstrate that they actually work as advertised in clinical trials... what a novel concept.

- Dan

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Trenbolone: How Can Millions Of Cows Be Wrong?

I think we already handled the discussion in comparison to actual gear on a "I could just pin" this basis, but welcome to the thread Dan...Sure havn't seen you around PP anymore.

PS, point me in the direction of a supplement company with the funds to run said studies.

 

[Doctor Dan]

I think we already handled the discussion in comparison to actual gear on a "I could just pin" this basis, but welcome to the thread Dan...Sure havn't seen you around PP anymore.

PS, point me in the direction of a supplement company with the funds to run said studies.

Well, let's just say that I moved from the kiddie pool into the adult swim area. And just as an FYI, AndroMass wasn't responsible for a nearly 20 pound LBM gain in four months while leaning down to below 12% BF.

As for lack of funds to run said studies, that's a pretty lame excuse. If you're going to claim that X is as good as Y, you'd better present damned convincing evidence that it's true, and that's not via user logs or one-of instances.

I note you didn't answer the question as to what proof you have that the TRS stack was actually responsible for that guy's recovery. All you know is that the guy took the TRS and recovered... that in itself DOES NOT demonstrate causality.

Oh, and as an aside: any guy who can't figure out how to successfully get enrolled in a TRT/HRT program quite frankly doesn't deserve it.

- Dan

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[HereToStudy]

Well, let's just say that I moved from the kiddie pool into the adult swim area. And just as an FYI, AndroMass wasn't responsible for a nearly 20 pound LBM gain in four months while leaning down to below 12% BF.

As for lack of funds to run said studies, that's a pretty lame excuse. If you're going to claim that X is as good as Y, you'd better present damned convincing evidence that it's true, and that's not via user logs or one-of instances.

I note you didn't answer the question as to what proof you have that the TRS stack was actually responsible for that guy's recovery. All you know is that the guy took the TRS and recovered... that in itself DOES NOT demonstrate causality.

Oh, and as an aside: any guy who can't figure out how to successfully get enrolled in a TRT/HRT program quite frankly doesn't deserve it.

- Dan

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Dan, you can refer to it as the kiddie pool all you want, I have seen your pictures, you were treading water there yourself, but feel free to keep playing tough guy on the internet.

What proof do you want? He took the TRS and those were the results. What proof do you have that you would not have made the gains without whatever AAS you took during that period? Sure there are studies showing the effectiveness of AAS, but how are we to know you wouldnt have made those gains on the increased eating you inevitably did? See how stupid of an argument that is?

For the record, Not all guys WANT to go on TRT/HRT.

 

[Doctor Dan]

Dan, you can refer to it as the kiddie pool all you want, I have seen your pictures, you were treading water there yourself, but feel free to keep playing tough guy on the internet.

The past tense is the operative word there... I moved out of the PH/DS arena almost a year ago, and never looked back.

Strangely, my best gains and cuts started occurring after I did so. I wonder why that is?

What proof do you want? He took the TRS and those were the results. What proof do you have that you would not have made the gains without whatever AAS you took during that period? Sure there are studies showing the effectiveness of AAS, but how are we to know you wouldnt have made those gains on the increased eating you inevitably did? See how stupid of an argument that is?

For the record, Not all guys WANT to go on TRT/HRT.

Obviously you know nothing of how medical research is conducted. You can't give one person an agent, show a laboratory change, and say "See! It really works!" There is no statistical evidence with a sample size of n=1.

As for my own gains, I know the agents that I took and what they're characterized to do, and that's exactly what happened. True, I can't prove that the same outcome wouldn't have happened without them, but then again, I'M NOT SELLING ANYTHING and CLAIMING IT'S EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S the difference.

- Dan

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[RA64]

The past tense is the operative word there... I moved out of the PH/DS arena almost a year ago, and never looked back.

Strangely, my best gains and cuts started occurring after I did so. I wonder why that is?




Obviously you know nothing of how medical research is conducted. You can't give one person an agent, show a laboratory change, and say "See! It really works!" There is no statistical evidence with a sample size of n=1.

As for my own gains, I know the agents that I took and what they're characterized to do, and that's exactly what happened. True, I can't prove that the same outcome wouldn't have happened without them, but then again, I'M NOT SELLING ANYTHING and CLAIMING IT'S EFFECTIVE.

THAT'S the difference.- Dan

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^Big difference.

 

[RA64]

Great, I'll PM you tomorrow!

So does this mean you are going to let RJ test and log it?

 

[djm6464]

yes!^

All threads should have her in it. I would kill for a piece of that

same here....id take a bag of spit from her and be on my way

 

[djm6464]

So does this mean you are going to let RJ test and log it?

i hope this happens, wasnt a guy on here offering to use the androhard too, and compare it to the low dose primo he was using??

 

[RA64]

i hope this happens, wasnt a guy on here offering to use the androhard too, and compare it to the low dose primo he was using??

Yes, that was me I was on a Test/Primo cycle and made the offer to go off the Primo and run the Androhard for four weeks and report the results between the two, never happened.
That's why I think they will back out on RJ.

 

[Doctor Dan]

Yes, that was me I was on a Test/Primo cycle and made the offer to go off the Primo and run the Androhard for four weeks and report the results between the two, never happened.
That's why I think they will back out on RJ.

No doubt that would be like comparing Dilaudid to Tylenol for its effectiveness in treating pain.

- Dan

 

[glubgawd]

So does this mean you are going to let RJ test and log it?

Yup. Sounds like they are.

Let's force RJ to drop his test e and run andromass at the end of his cycle too



Or maybe throw him a few bottles to run as his testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose (since he's already on TRT) after he finishes the cycle?

I'm just gonna volunteer RJ for a whole bunch of shit now lol

 

[ryansm]

Yes, that was me I was on a Test/Primo cycle and made the offer to go off the Primo and run the Androhard for four weeks and report the results between the two, never happened.
That's why I think they will back out on RJ.

What? I offered it to you and you said "let me think about it" still haven't heard back and the offer still stands.

 

[RA64]

What? I offered it to you and you said "let me think about it" still haven't heard back and the offer still stands.

I deleted the PM, but I believe your offer was to let me have a bottle for half price, and if you charged me shipping, I could kick in a couple of bucks and get two more vials of Primo for that price. It would not be worth me disrupting what has been a great cycle for the half price offer.

 

[glubgawd]

I deleted the PM, but I believe your offer was to let me have a bottle for half price, and if you charged me shipping, I could kick in a couple of bucks and get two more vials of Primo for that price. It would not be worth me disrupting what has been a great cycle for the half price offer.

Ouch....yeah I was under the impression that these people were getting free bottles in return for the logs.....half off is still crazy expensive just to play guinea pig.

I'm hoping you misunderstood the offer RA.

 

[RJ]

i got a PM from Ryan. we'll go from there. I'm not paying a dime so hope thats not the deal they are offering. Especially since my name is also Ryan... and us Ryan's don't do bullshit.

 

[RA64]

Ouch....yeah I was under the impression that these people were getting free bottles in return for the logs.....half off is still crazy expensive just to play guinea pig.

I'm hoping you misunderstood the offer RA.

I was ready to give it a try and the half price thing stopped me, oh well like I said this Test/Primo cycle has been great.

RJ I hope they give it to you for free.

 

[MattPorter]

Dan, you can refer to it as the kiddie pool all you want, I have seen your pictures, you were treading water there yourself, but feel free to keep playing tough guy on the internet.

What proof do you want? He took the TRS and those were the results. What proof do you have that you would not have made the gains without whatever AAS you took during that period? Sure there are studies showing the effectiveness of AAS, but how are we to know you wouldnt have made those gains on the increased eating you inevitably did? See how stupid of an argument that is?

For the record, Not all guys WANT to go on TRT/HRT.

Hereto...

Where are pics of Dr. Dan?