Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

[Bulldog2103]

I did my usual saturday workout today as I have a commitment tomorrow that will keep me from training. Bench: 375x4 Incline:295x9, this was easier then anticipated. I will try 315 next week.

I got night sweats last night for the first time but i believe that is more attributed to eating more and later then usual last night. I ate probably double my usual intake last night and woke up with my sheets soaked. I am definitely feeling and looking fuller so the bloat is at work. It appears to be helping with my lifts so I am hoping to have some breakthroughs shortly.

Also, i've had 3 uncharacteristic dreams since i've been on tren so it's definitely active. I want to up the dose for a more pronounced effect so I may bump it up to see what differences it will make in preparation for my next cycle.

 

[MN87]

Looks like its been 12 days since you first pinned tren. If your incline was really that much easier than you expected it to be, it might be indicative that the tren has started working. Just saying

Very jealous of how you've made your previous 1rm your 4rm... I read your post with a bit of anger, I'll admit Makes me wonder how much more strength I would've gained if my cycle were more a bulk than the cut/recomp it was... I mean, I never went below a 250 calorie deficit at any point, and I am still rather satisfied with my strength gains thus far regardless... meanwhile the other half of me wishes I used this cycle as an opportunity to cut up even further than I did lol

 

[Bulldog2103]

Dude, you've made pretty incredible strength gains yourself, your incline and overhead press numbers are fantastic, and we haven't even touched on the squat improvement. But you're right, the more you eat the more you will grow both in size and strength. With that said, i've settled in at about 195 and have been there for about a month.

Your next cycle will be the epic one bro, you have learned your body and dosages and will be on a caloric surplus and with that combo you will grow like a champ. Sometimes I wish I ate more or even cut and ate less. The bottomline for both of us is that we have gained lean muscle and lost fat and you can never complain with that combination.

 

[MN87]

True... it's kind of like that complex you get when someone stronger walks into your gym and starts putting up all this weight that you are years from even dreaming about. Instead of admiring them, I'll get angry at them, or find some flaw to nitpick haha... huge ego complex as you can tell. I dunno if you can relate lol... but I'm getting better with that anyway

But thats very interesting that you settled at 195 considering we started out at nearly identical weights, because I'm somewhere from 200-208. Must be bloat from the increased test dose that I run compared to you (Im at 200 EOD, or 700/wk)

 

[Bulldog2103]

Definitely man, I am very competitive! I always want to be the strongest when i'm in there but at our size, naturally someone 250-275 will walk in and have more strength. With that said, we are stronger in the sense that we are pushing twice our bodyweight on bench and triple on squat. That was my greatest achievement in this game and I don't come across many others that can do the same.

It's referred to as pound for pound strength. Of course if we gained 50 pounds we would be stronger then we are. You just have to find that balance that optimizes the bodytype you are going for. I always want to remain functional and athletic, as that will transalte into anything that you do. I'm sure you find just as I do that most guys that are bigger then us aren't stronger then us. They may look like they can perform but they will come up short in comparison.

I take pride in those things and focus in on performing better everyday because if you do that then you really can't go wrong. We'll never be the strongest dudes in the world but we'll always perform at an elite level, look great and bag hot bitches. Life is good my friend.

 

[metsfan4life]

havent been on here in a while but looks like you are running strong through this cycle. interested to see how tren worksout for you as I am looking at it for a next cycle. havent started 1st one just yet but looking forward to it and the next

 

[MN87]

Definitely man, I am very competitive! I always want to be the strongest when i'm in there but at our size, naturally someone 250-275 will walk in and have more strength. With that said, we are stronger in the sense that we are pushing twice our bodyweight on bench and triple on squat. That was my greatest achievement in this game and I don't come across many others that can do the same.

It's referred to as pound for pound strength. Of course if we gained 50 pounds we would be stronger then we are. You just have to find that balance that optimizes the bodytype you are going for. I always want to remain functional and athletic, as that will transalte into anything that you do. I'm sure you find just as I do that most guys that are bigger then us aren't stronger then us. They may look like they can perform but they will come up short in comparison.

I take pride in those things and focus in on performing better everyday because if you do that then you really can't go wrong. We'll never be the strongest dudes in the world but we'll always perform at an elite level, look great and bag hot bitches. Life is good my friend.

Life certainly is good my man. And ya know what the best thing about tren is? It's not the strength gains.. its the fact that I can eat like a HUMAN BEING and not get shit for it next day at the gym. It's like turning lead into gold Just had a full pie, 12 garlic knots, some garlic bread, and some tutti frutti for desert... my first cheat meal in over a month lol.

Shame that you guys probably don't have any good pizza over there, only in the Tri State area Probably a ton of good Mexican though, right?!

Wait, what was this thread about again? Weight lifting or something?? Oh yeah.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I am in total agreement. Tren seems to keep you lean no matter what your diet looks like. I have taken notice to this and have had some cheat meals 3 days in a row and it has not done any damage to my physique. Usually I would wake up and feel a little extra something for having gotten off track and with tren I am staying lean and hard around the midsection.

Now you have to imagine just how shredded you can get on this stuff with proper diet and a lower test dose. Something to consider pre-summer next year for sure.

We have excellent mexican food down here! I love me some chicken and carne asada burritos. Damn, thinking about it makes me want to do a super bulk and load up, haha. Pizza is one of my favorite foods and i am still looking around for "the one". I've found some good pies but am still in search of the perfect slice. Perhaps i'll order some from new york or chicago, I have thought about it.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I had a great chest and tri workout today. It was dumbbell day so I did chest both with the flat and incline bench with the 125's. I was able to get 12+ reps on all sets, leavine me wondering how I am going to add more weight for my next workout. i suppose I can sub more weight with more volume but I typically don't like to go for more then 12 reps per working set.

Followed that up by supersetting skullcrushers with reverse grip skullcrushers at 110 and 60. I did 3 sets and was able to bang out 10+ reps on both for all sets. Overall I feel great but I have noticed a coming down effect after my workouts. It's like I hit a lull period about 40 minutes after and it usually lasts a couple of hours before my energy picks up again. Not sure what the cause of this is but I am working extremely hard to maximize my workouts. Sometimes it feels more like abuse then a workout.

I definitely feel an anti-cortisol is necessary since the rigorous workouts are certainly causing stress on the body. I'm looking for a bulk source of phosphatidylserine or something of the like. I've also looked into a topical suppress-c and dhea. Anybody used these for that purpose?

 

[MN87]

Do you do flat before incline or the other way around? Because if you do flat first, maybe do incline first instead, so youll be weaker when you get to flat, etc.

Or maybe change the mechanics of the lift? Try it with a neutral grip, do em paused, or increase the angle of the bench... that should give you something new to strive for

 

[Bulldog2103]

I always have started with flat. Yeah man, I need to change it up. I figured I would start accentuating the negative even more and holding the stretch at the bottom for a second or two to get more time under tension and less momentum in the lifts. I've never messed with the grip on dumbbells so i'll have to look into that and see how it's done exactly.

Pinnacle is holding a 20% off sale so I just loaded up on prop and tren for the next cycle. Now the challenge will be letting it sit all the way through post cycle therapy (pct) so that I am fully recovered before engaging again. You should look into Pinn for your next run if you haven't already stocked up.

 

[MN87]

I think you should try increasing the incline angles! It's actually how I've been training my db inclines... My goal is to eventually turn my incline db weight into my shoulder press weight by doing this. Just a thought...

Yeah dude I saw the sale but I've been dropping so much cash recently, and I'm not even yet done buying stuff for THIS cycle, let alone next one! Gotta lay off a bit haha

Btw did you ever increase the tren dose?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah, i hear you on the angles. My goal is to get the shoulder press using the 125's but as of now I am 15 pounds away from that. That would be beastly man, I hope to get there. I hear you on costs man, they tend to get out of control, spent way more then I first projected but I guess it's all part of the learning curve.

I increased it mildly, i'm running 160 mg's per week and the effects are noticeable, but ultimately i'd like to get up to your dosing levels. I think 350-400 would be optimal so that's why i'm closely monitoring your progress with it so that I can figure out what I need for the next run. I'm also looking to increase the prop to 600 mg's next cycle, I just feel like while I am at a good muscle building dose, it hasn't netted the strength gains that I know I can make with higher doses.

Are you sweating significantly more on cycle? I am sweating profusely and that has never been an issue for me. I am literally drenched and dripping during workouts. I'll have to check my temperature but I would guess that i'm at least a half of a degree warmer based on what's happening.

 

[MN87]

Not at all dude. Absolutely zero tren related sides to speak of. Just a lot of estro bloat which makes me feel sluggish when it gets out of hand... I'm anywhere from 200-215 nowadays. Yes, it fluctuates that much. Definitely a lot of new muscularity too though, especially back width.

 

[Bulldog2103]

215? Fuck dude! That's a 30+ pound gain. I imagine you'll strip off at least 8-10 pounds or so immediately once the test leaves. Still though, that's an incredible gain. I'll have to check my weight and report back. Are your abs still visible?

 

[MN87]

Define 'abs'... haha. I mean, I still feel completely comfortable taking my shirt off in public, but I just have a little more 'jiggle' than I want. But its not fat at all, and I know this because I've been at a deficit the entire cycle. I try to embellish it, if I'm out with a girl in public I'll try my hardest to embarrass her by pushing my gut out as far as possible and grabbing the fat rolls and jiggling them for everyone to see lol

Hoping that when I drop I'll be 190ish... I think that's pretty realistic and I'd be pretty happy with that result, since I'm definitely leaner... you just cant tell yet

 

[MN87]

Definitely post if you do boost up to 600 test this time around btw... by that do you mean 600mg of actual test, or 600 including the ester too?... I know you are very distinguishing on those matters lol

If you're anything like me you are going to bloat the F up dude... I wanna see if you react similarly to how I did to it

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah, I have shades of abs but they aren't popping whatsoever. When i'm in the gym I love the bloat and outside of it it definitely blows. I just checked my weight and it read 198 so i'm up about 16 pounds thus far.

Yes, I am very precise when it comes to actual mg's though it doesn't seem like anybody else is. So to answer your question I do in fact mean 600 actual mg's of test. If you're doing 700 mg's weekly with ester included then that puts you at 581 actual mg's currently every week. I'm pretty bloated now so I can only imagine what will happen with 200 additional mg's. Flexibility is suffering, I had trouble scratching my neck the other day and in the shower it's harder to reach certain areas.

Depending on how I react to post cycle therapy (pct) and how much weight I retain will determine if my next cycle is a pure bulk or a cut cycle. I'm just not sure how much bigger I want to get. I want to maintain athleticism and functionality above anything else but the prospect of bulking is very appealing, I just think it would be a really fun time.

It's crazy to believe you are up about 30 pounds on a cut, i'm sure when all is said and done you will probably be down 3-4% more bodyfat.

 

[MN87]

I dont really pay alot of attention to it except when it come to Suspension... apparently they say 700 mg Suspension/wk (100 ED) is equivalent to a gram (!) of any of the longer estered ones. 100mg Susp ED is how I plan to end my cycle, so itll be interesting to how I react to such a high Test dose.

I dunno about you but I've been taking a lot of joint and tendon support on cycle, I'm very afraid of outlifting my means... I can only imagine what the strength gains on a tren bulk would be.

I think 3-4% less bodyfat is a pretty realistic approximation, not just taking into account actual adipose tissue lost but also in the sense that muscle gain in general will increase lean BW and thus decrease BF% indirectly (like, assuming the adipose tissue levels remain constant or decrease)... will be interesting to see for sure!

 

[Bulldog2103]

Be sure to continue with your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) when you start the suspension, maybe even up the dose. They say because it is so fast acting that it is the hardest to control as far as estrogen sides. Any hair thinning or losses on cycle? I've noticed some thinning on the front of my right scalp and also small acne bumps. They aren't entirely visible but I can feel them and it pretty much confirms the hair thinning for me as it is all happening in the same location. Definitely getting dutasteride or finasteride for next cycle. I'm fine with estro sides, not so much with dht sides.

Sleeping is pretty shitty with the addition of tren, i'm lucky if i'm getting 5-6 hours a night. It is broken up sleep as well, I wake up at least a few times during that period. Still, I don't feel sluggish or tired throughout the day so it's not impacting my energy or drive. It's moreso bothering me because alot of growth and recovery is accomplished during sleep and I hate to miss out on any of that. No more night sweats since I began eating dinner earlier, 5pm.

Oh yeah and i'm probably going to buy some melanotan II for my next cycle just to have an increased edge in libido and i want to test out its tanning effects.