Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

[MN87]

When did the indifference start? Did it start with the beginning of your cycle/letro use and continue until now (even now that you're off the letro)?

I mean if you can perform its probably no biggie. Face the facts dude, we're in our 20s, we're not gonna get hard from smelling a girl's perfume as she walks by like we did when we were teenagers. I myself realized that earlier this year... desensitization, dude. That, plus maybe you're just fucking really ugly chicks

Personally I'm taking 700mg test and 350mg tren a week and I really feel absolutely zero percent different than I did pre-cycle, both personality wise and libido wise. I last longer, and maybe I'm more receptive to getting hard, but thats about it. I don't walk around foaming at the mouth for pussy like I see so many other people online say they do

 

[Bulldog2103]

Haha, good one. I'm a liberal guy, i prefer the 8's through 10's but yeah, on occasion i'll let some sixes slip through the cracks. I'm a fan of convenience so if they offer to come over and help me out without expectation then sure I can't turn that offer down.

But yeah, i'd say the indifference started very early on when I introduced the letro and NPP. I was on the test only initially and libido and drive was fantastic. Soon after starting those compounds i just wasn't as driven towards that. I tend to agree that most people embellish their side effects as far as libido goes but there is certainly a noticeable difference that I have been keeping track of since early on. I just thought it was odd, but i'm not concerned because as long as my member works when I want him to then i'm good to go. But yes, our generation is overexposed so desensitization is something i'm sure we all suffer from to a large degree. Hell, dudes used to get excited if they saw an ankle or knee back in the day. Now it's much more extreme.

 

[MN87]

It's all good dude, you need those subpar ones for practice and stories.

Anyway, really interested in seeing when your tren kicks in, because mine aint doing shit yet.

There's also a theory that juice alone starts to provide diminishing returns 6-8 weeks into a cycle because myostatin begins to inhibit muscle growth. Well, that's about where we're at... what do you think about that theory?

 

[Bulldog2103]

I would highly doubt that theory, especially with different compounds being introduced. But the primary reason I would reject it is because pro's run cycles of much greater lengths and I would imagine that they would have optimized cycling at this point but maybe I give them too much credit blindly.

With that said, I am starting to believe that shorter cycles would be my preferred choice. A protocol of 6 weeks on and 4 off is something I am interested in with fast-acting compounds.

But yeah, I have yet to feel the tren so if that continues then at least in my head it will lend more validity to that theory. This is too strong of a compound to simply not feel. That makes no sense so perhaps the error was in our calculation of how long it would take to kick in.

The myostatin may jump into high gear to account for all of the new muscle growth. If i'm not mistaken, one of it's main functions is to promote joint and muscle health to avoid ligament damage and other various injuries. I have never come across that theory but I suppose that may make sense with it trying to protect our bodies from the accumulation of lean mass at a rapid pace.

 

[MN87]

Well, for what it's worth, the theorists generally prescribe three recommended ways to bypass the myostatin roadblock: increase doses, add compounds, or ride it out (apparently myostatin levels return to baseline around week 20). So either way, since we've just added tren, we should be ok.

I do agree with the notion that the body adapts to doses though, as witnessed by the diminishing returns of progress on my current cycle. So my next cycle will likely consist of a gradual ramping of doses and addition of compounds as the cycle progresses to bypass any plateaus I may encounter (since it will be a bulk, too, I will have the added luxury of adding cals too, which I did not have this cycle).

I've also been rethinking the way I want to transition into post cycle therapy (pct). I have enough Anavar (var) to last me until September 16 (a total of 13 weeks on cycle), so that will be the last day of my cycle. What is up for grabs is the length of my tren cycle. I will either run tren for 6 weeks until the 10th, or until my strength plateaus, whichever comes first. At that point I will drop the tren and run test w Anavar (var) until the 16th. If I run it the full 6 weeks, that means my last tren pin would be the 10th, which means I'd run test for 6 days after, but I think that's enough. Plenty of people run conclude them both at the same time and recover just fine.

I think the theory that you need to run test two weeks longer came from the theory that deca needs to be ended 2 weeks before tren... however, given the recommendation that you start PCT 21 days after deca and 14 days after Test E, that would technically leave you with only 1 week of true test extension... which is pretty much what I'm running with regards to my tren.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Makes sense. I'm thinking that short cycles would benefit me the most but I know for you that you aren't planning on utilizing this as a lifestyle. I'm not sure I am either, but I have convinced myself I will be cycling at minimum for the next year, and I believe 6 week bursts to be my best bet. Get in and get out and allow time to recover. Re-evaluate and do it again.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Good chest workout today: Hit 375x4. I don't believe I am stronger, I just think some days are better then others depending on many factors. Incline, I got 275x12x2 sets and busted out 18 reps at 225 for the last set.

Dumbbell rows at 115x10x4 sets. I would say that my legs and my back are getting the strongest on cycle, and my shoulders to a lesser extent. It's been exactly a week since I pinned the tren and have yet to see or feel any differences. I'm hopeful that i'll have something to report by the end of the 2nd week.

I love saturday workouts, there are always more hot chicks there to help you finish strong.

 

[MN87]

Damn dude... I don't know why you keep saying you aren't a whole lot stronger on cycle, your bench max has become your 4 rep max, and your squat has gone from 505 x1 to 545 x 4. Clearly you're a whole lot stronger!!!

Sick benching dude I'm loving it

 

[Bulldog2103]

I hear you, I guess i was just expecting something more dramatic. This feels subtle and I am 10 pounds heavier. With the 10 extra pounds i'm carrying I feel like I could have accomplished this naturally with more calories. If I keep the strength at the completion of post cycle therapy (pct) then I will feel better about it. Until then, I can't say i'm that impressed.

But again, we must have been on the high end as far as natural test production because it seems like we should be experiencing more dramatic strength gains with how hard we work and the use of performance enhancing agents. Oh yeah, I had a very strange dream where two dudes (i didn't recognize) jumped to their death. I never have dreams like that and i've heard that some people have "tren dreams" so perhaps it is kicking in a bit. We'll see, i'll report back if more continue.

 

[MN87]

Lolol wtf... random. Sounds like tren dreams. Pretty sure my tren kicked in today, 11 days after my first shot. I think you started a few days later than me so you may be good to go very soon ma dude.

I've thought about that too actually... I do think we had exceptionally good test going into this (though I never got bloodwork done, did you?). Maybe you don't appreciate it, but upper 3/low 4 bench and a 5 plate squat is somewhat of a rarity for natty 180-some pound guys like we were when we started. It really is... even though you did use SARMs! *cough cough CHEATER cough cough*

 

[Bulldog2103]

Haha, yeah I did test out the sarm. I still have half of the bottle as it elevated my liver enzymes a good deal. I was thinking of using it during post cycle therapy (pct) but I think my liver would like the break so i'll probably just sit on it or give it away.

I know we're in the top 1% and I know that not many people could bench twice their bodyweight or squat 3 times their bw but I was hopeful that it would transform our natural freakiness into some otherworldy beasts. It's been good for muscle-building so far but I want to rep 4 plates on the bench and 6 on the squat. Is that too much to ask?

Congrats on the possible tren introduction, hopefully it will help you re-write those PR's on all major lifts.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Had a great leg workout today despite the fact that I didn't do any barbell work due to residual back pain. I decided to do 4 sets of drop-sets starting with 125 pound dumbbells, 100 pound db's and 75 pd db's.

It was very difficult and I could hardly walk after finishing the 4th set. I like the dumbbell work because I can literally get my ass to the ground, ending in a catchers crouch. I feel it hits deeper up the leg muscles and the glutes. In fact, my glutes are already sore just some 10 hours later. However, holding those 125's sucks so i'm thinking of pussing out and getting hooks to assist with the hold. I hate feeling as though I left a couple of reps on the table because my hands couldn't hack the set duration.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Hit up incline with the 125's and did 4 sets of 10+ reps, none higher then 12. From there I grabbed some 90's and did chest flyes for 3 sets 8-10 reps, and got a really good stretch. I did skullcrushers super-setted with the reverse grip skullcrush and I absolutely loved it. The reverse grip is awesome, it's an exercise that I know I will see results from. If you keep your elbows in and straight throughout it will absolutely kill your tri's. Finished off with some ab work on the decline bench, focused primarily on obliques today.

Getting alot of stares at the gym, but that is nothing new. I work harder and heavier then everybody as it appears to be more of a casual/family type of gym. Basically i'm a shark surrounded by guppy fish. I think for the next cycle I will be joining a more hardcore gym, or at least one with heavier dumbbells.

Legs are really sore today. Perhaps i should up my test dosage as I was hoping to have a quicker recovery time between workouts.

 

[MN87]

Eh, you just worked em out yesterday, juice or not we are still going to experience soreness ya know! I also believe that soreness and recovery are not correlated with each other (i.e. you can be sore but fully recovered), but that is just for my own personal experience though.

I think I'm going to start experimenting with reverse grip variations on all my shit haha

 

[Bulldog2103]

Yeah man, reverse grip everything. I do reverse curls (great for forearms), Reverse skullcrushers, reverse grip barbell/dumbbell rows, reverse grip barbell shrugs, reverse bench, reverse grip pullups (great for bi's). Just give it a little reverse action baby.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Got a shoulder and back workout in today. Started off with seated dumbbell military press with the 110's. I'm not sure if that's a PR or not but I know i've never been to 115 on this exercise, and I plan to hit it up in a couple of weeks. I then tried out the bent over barbell row where you load one side of a bar and place a row handle around and pull. I did 4 plates and a 25 and really enjoyed it. It definitely hit a different angle and I am already feeling some soreness. Everything else was pretty much standard, did some seated pulldowns, wide grip pullups, dumbbell shrugs, shoulder flyes on incline bench and some good decline ab work.

Not feeling much from the tren physically however my body seems to be tightening up despite the bloat so I think it is exerting it's fat burning effects. I still have an hgh belly but everything is tight and abs are still visible. I really enjoy the bloat, i'm just hoping I can keep most of the muscle fullness. I do not want to deflate and lose all of the mass that I currently have.

 

[MN87]

Yeah man roid gut is the worst. Also, gonna start incorporating some reverse grip pulldowns tomorrow, inspired by your post a few days ago. Sounds like a fun exercise

 

[Bulldog2103]

Variety is the spice of life. Changing things up keeps everything interesting and your body guessing. I enjoy new challenges, i'm thinking of joining up at crossfit after this. Those dudes are ctazy, I want to perform at that top level and push myself to new limits. You ever check that out (crossfit)?

 

[MN87]

I'm probably too lazy and unconditioned to ever do cross fit lol. I prefer slowly moving moving heavy weight. Benching especially is super appealing to me because I get to lay down while I do it

The girls are cute though and some of the top level guys have really attractive physiques... although I think Oly lifters have my all-time favorite physiques (its the most athletic look imo... this is the most cliche Oly pic online but it still illustrates my point):

But, for what its worth, you don't need to join at cross fit to do cross fit... I have tons of friends who just use the programs and try to improve their shit on their own.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I figure with the combination of bodybuilding and cross fit that it would give the best of both worlds. Looks will be good and performance will be excellent so that's what i'll be shooting for. I have never been motivated by looks, only performance. I've tried going to the gym many years back for aesthetics and I was always inconsistent. As soon as I made performance oriented goals I have not looked back, and the added benefit to that is that you will look great.

But I agree, olympic lifters and even gymnasts have crazy physiques. I don't have the time to dedicate 6-8 hours per day on my body like i'm sure they do but it would be nice. I've thought about just hi-jacking their workouts as opposed to paying the high price for a membership but I don't want to miss out on the hot ladies I can befriend. That's half of the motivation afterall.