Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

[Bulldog2103]

Well Fuck me fellas: I hit a PR today on the squats, I got 3 clean reps at 545 but on the 4th one........... My back straight gave out on the way down and took me to my knees. I can't say I didn't feel it coming as I aggravated it a week ago and it felt a little shaky on lighter loads but I was feeling strong and I went for it. I'm pretty positive it is a muscle so that's the good news, I put a handful of icy-hot on it and i'm hoping for the best.

I couldn't bend over the rest of my workout so it made things difficult but I switched over to dumbbell squats and lunges and was able to perform those without issue. I'm thinking I will be ok so long as I eliminate the barbell squats for 2 weeks and let it recover but I have learned that I need to scale it back because one legitimate injury will setback my entire cycle. That's just not something I will allow to happen.

On a brighter note, I will be pinning Tren today for the first time and am hoping it will lean out my gains as I am carrying a good deal of bloat, by choice of course.

 

[MN87]

Damn dude, 545 for 4... sick!! You could probably get 6 plates for a single no doubt... good shit!!!

What do you mean your back gave out? Like, it just collapsed? I've injured my lower back in the past but I would call them painful tweaks... heat packs usually help me spring back quick.

I may be mistaken but the last squat workout I remember you posting was something like 495x7... so 545 is a big jump. I personally always make slow incremental jumps, so maybe the jump was just a big shock to your body?

Anyway you need the 2 weeks downtime to let my squat catch up anyway

 

[MN87]

So how do you eventually plan on weaning yourself off the tren anyway? Because I'm trying to figure that out myself. Lotta people seem to advise running test longer than tren (2 weeks is a common recommendation).

Like you, I'm planning on a 4-6 week run with this tren. That being said, if progress stalls out on the tren (which I don't anticipate) I'll probably terminate it and start preparing for PCT so I can be quicker recovered for my next run, rather than continuing to increase the tren dose.

 

[Bulldog2103]

It blows bro. It's pretty debilitating but my left lower back has always been my achillies heel. I'll just keep soaking it in icyhot and using a heating pad and hopefully it won't prohibit my workouts. And yeah man, it felt shaky and then it decided it had enough and literally gave out, I dropped right to my knees and the safety stoppers saved my ass. But I can still do heavy dumbbell squats without issue so i'm encouraged by that.

I'm going to go for 6 more weeks. 4 with tren and 6 with test. The tren will still be in our system for a week after so i'll get one week without heading into post cycle therapy (pct). I'm really looking forward to the next cycle, i'm just hoping to stay disciplined enough to allow my body all the time it needs to recover before engaging.

 

[Bulldog2103]

All right so I just pinned my first dose of tren. I will be upping my cals to just above maintenance levels as I am aware that the tren acts as a nutrient partitioner and I want to make sure that I am never on empty. Also, I usually eat a no-carb dinner so I will be changing that as well, opting for well-balanced meals throughout the entire day.

I have upped the cardio recently in preparation for this addition so I hope to at minimum maintain my cardio levels throughout. Pretty excited and yet a little bit scared of this beast. I will just make sure that I do my job to a tee and hope that it takes it easy on me. Also will be adding a fan for sleeping purposes as well as snacks on hand throughout the night just in case I wake up and need the extra cals. I probably sound like a babyback bitch but i've heard some horror stories and don't want one of my own.

 

[MN87]

Nice, so what dose of tren and test are you running now? (you eliminated the NPP right?) Also, I know you said you bought Anavar (var) but were thinking about saving it until the next cycle... did you have any plans to use it concomitantly with the end of tren while running test the extra 2 weeks?

So one of us is bulking with tren while the other cuts. Really interested in drawing comparisons here.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm starting really cautiously with the tren, only going to do 140 mg's this week and will re-evaluate after that for the 2nd week. Still running my 400mg's of prop so a 540 total mg dose. Yeah, I dropped the NPP and hopefully it's out of the system for the most part as tren is kicking in. Haven't decided on the Anavar (var) yet, I suppose it would make sense for the final two weeks and it has a very short half-life so that'll work.

I won't do anything but bulk on tren man, just don't want to not have the fuel in me to feed it adequately, because that's when a friend of mine ran into issues. He went hypoglycemic in his sleep and nearly went into a coma as when he awoke he had zero energy reserves. He ended up eating a bag of a sugary snack and poured water all over himself to keep his temperature down. He really felt he played with fire and did all he could to not end up in the ER. This may not be most people's reality but i'm going to take all the precautions I can to avoid a bad reaction.

I was talking with a guy at my gym and he's only taking 87mg's a week of tren and 270 of test per week and he is very well built. It just seems a little bit goes a long way and I don't need a dramatic improvement, like you I am quite content with where I already am. So for me, this is experimental for our next bulking cycle, a walk-through before the game if you will.

You're doing 6 more weeks, right?

 

[superp]

Bulldog, What do you mean regarding your friend is on 87mgs of Tren? Is this the residual (actual) mgs from 100mgs listed on the bottle?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Bulldog, What do you mean regarding your friend is on 87mgs of Tren? Is this the residual (actual) mgs from 100mgs listed on the bottle?

Yeah, he takes one ml per week of tren acetate which translates to 87 true mg's of tren. The acetate ester accounts for the other 13mg's.

 

[MN87]

I'm starting really cautiously with the tren, only going to do 140 mg's this week and will re-evaluate after that for the 2nd week. Still running my 400mg's of prop so a 540 total mg dose. Yeah, I dropped the NPP and hopefully it's out of the system for the most part as tren is kicking in. Haven't decided on the Anavar (var) yet, I suppose it would make sense for the final two weeks and it has a very short half-life so that'll work.

I won't do anything but bulk on tren man, just don't want to not have the fuel in me to feed it adequately, because that's when a friend of mine ran into issues. He went hypoglycemic in his sleep and nearly went into a coma as when he awoke he had zero energy reserves. He ended up eating a bag of a sugary snack and poured water all over himself to keep his temperature down. He really felt he played with fire and did all he could to not end up in the ER. This may not be most people's reality but i'm going to take all the precautions I can to avoid a bad reaction.

I was talking with a guy at my gym and he's only taking 87mg's a week of tren and 270 of test per week and he is very well built. It just seems a little bit goes a long way and I don't need a dramatic improvement, like you I am quite content with where I already am. So for me, this is experimental for our next bulking cycle, a walk-through before the game if you will.

You're doing 6 more weeks, right?

Um. Somewhere in that range. Still tryna figure out the specifics of how I'll be transitioning off the tren. So how long will your cycle end up have run for when all is said and done? I know you said you dosed test low to start for 2 weeks before you really started introducing higher doses and other compounds... I consider that 'on' time personally.

For whats its worth Anavar (var) started to kick in for me in the 10 day - 3 week range so maybe plan ahead so that it kicks in right as tren starts leaving, since it obv won't start kicking immediately.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Ok good deal regarding the Anavar (var). Let's see, I believe that will put me at 12 weeks when all is said and done if I do 6 more from this point. I'm hoping to up the tren so that at the very least I can take down one vial of it. When were you looking at starting the bulker? January?

 

[MN87]

Yeah, roughly speaking I was really hoping for January. At this point nothing is set in stone though, and I'm sure a lot may change depending on the duration of this cycle, recovery, next years plans, yadda yadda

That being said I have this ideal image in my head that consists of me starting the monster bulk on New Years, like a sort of 'New Years resolution' kinda thing. There's just something so appealing to me about starting off the year on cycle... I mean maybe not New Years DAY for obvious reasons, but you get my point.

 

[Bulldog2103]

It would certainly be something to look forward to, that is if the Mayans aren't right and we don't all die on dec 21st, haha.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I opted for a rest day today as I feel as though I got run over by a truck. My back is very stiff today, putting on my socks was quite the chore. I'll be back at it tomorrow and will just work around the pain until it heals up. It sucks ass being a well-built guy and then walking around like a cripple but I guess that's what happens when you push too far sometimes. Or maybe i'm getting old, couldn't help but check out the hgh today.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Got a good Back and shoulder workout today. My back has more mobility, but I didn't do anything that involved too much stress on the lower half. Like you MN, my rows are increasing at a nice rate but I am still only at 105 with the seated military dumbbell press. I'm thinking I can get to 110 next week as my reps increased to where I can get 8-9 for 4 sets. However, my neck feels pinched, so all that weight may have pinched a nerve. I need a masseuse, getting old blows.

Still nothing to report with the tren but I will pin my second dose this evening. Started upping my cals two days ago so I am just waiting for the tren to join the party and hopefully some strength gains will follow. If it doesn't kick in by thursday i'll be upping the dose from 140 mg's to 200.

Other then dumbbell squats and lunges, any suggestions for leg exercises while I heal my back up? I still want to challenge myself on leg days as those are the muscles getting the strongest on cycle and I don't want to stop the momentum.

 

[j2048b]

bulldog, u mentioned clomid s opposed to hcg for ur next go areound correct? well here is a good link zeek started on clomid, and it should be better than Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and hopefully offer a lower e2 conversion, but not sure if it will entirely:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/629355-beyond-pct-yes-clomid-one-best-testosterone-boosters-available.html

if ur still interested, as i know a lot of people run clomid over Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), for a few factors, and less pinning!

looking good man keep up the good work!

 

[Bulldog2103]

bulldog, u mentioned clomid s opposed to hcg for ur next go areound correct? well here is a good link zeek started on clomid, and it should be better than Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and hopefully offer a lower e2 conversion, but not sure if it will entirely:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/629355-beyond-pct-yes-clomid-one-best-testosterone-boosters-available.html

if ur still interested, as i know a lot of people run clomid over Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), for a few factors, and less pinning!

looking good man keep up the good work!

Thanks, that's actually the thread that inspired my usage with clomid during cycle. It worked immediately bro, my ejaculate amount is far greater on it then off. Zeek has provided some valuable info and with the results i'm getting with the clomid I figure it wouldn't hurt to try it sans hcg next cycle for experimentation. However, if my boys shrivel up then I will have hcg on hand as well as for post cycle therapy (pct). Also, the clomid may also make the use of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unnecessary but we'll see. Thanks for the headsup, much appreciated!

 

[Bulldog2103]

Got a good chest, tri and ab workout in today. I have been working those muscles more and they are responding with a good recovery time so I am going full throttle every workout. I have a few more aches and pains then before but that is all a part of the equation. Hit some cardio up afterwards and am feeling great overall, tons of energy and motivation.

I haven't noticed the tren yet but I will give it a few more days before upping the weekly dosage. All of my muscles are fuller and bigger then they have ever been. It's been a fun ride and i'm ready to sink my teeth into the second half of this cycle with the full intent of maximizing every last bit of the gear.

 

[MN87]

Bulldog Im too lazy to go back through the log but, when you ran Letro, how did you run it? And did it affect your libido at all? People complain a lot about AIs lowering estro too much and killing their libido but I feel like these assessment are always highly exaggerated.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Bulldog Im too lazy to go back through the log but, when you ran Letro, how did you run it? And did it affect your libido at all? People complain a lot about AIs lowering estro too much and killing their libido but I feel like these assessment are always highly exaggerated.

I ran it a few different ways: 0.5 everyday will keep bloat off and veins popping. If you run this protocol you will get strictly lean mass gains. 0.5 EOD will bring about some bloat but not enough to be uncomfortable. I have embraced the bloat the last two weeks or so so I am not running it at the moment, but I figure since I am running a low dose clomid for nut production that it really isn't all that necessary.

Letro is awesome, some say it's too harsh and I guess in theory it might be, I say it's really fucking effective. No libido issues that I can attribute to low estro, however I have noticed that I am not as mentally into it as I was pre-cycle. I'm almost indifferent about having sex and sometimes have to remind myself to do it like it's goal for the day. With that said, my member is working as good as ever, he's primed to perform and stays hard throughout. But I have wondered what the cause is of the mental indifference, as that obviously isn't what I want. But i've been off the letro for two weeks and still have it so maybe it's a 19-nor thing? I'm really not sure. Any ideas?