Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

I think your nips will be fine. You're really not running a lot of test at all, and I think most of what people mistake for gyno is just embellishment (we've talked before about how people exaggerate everything online). I don't think their protrusion is really indicative of anything, but if they start to get sensitive to the touch and lumpy thats a different story... but honestly at that low test dose, if you were to get gyno, I'd really look towards tren as a bigger culprit.

Also, what kind of protein do you use? I generally dont give two shits about supps, but I want to start searching for the leanest protein powder on the market so as to make sure that I'm doing my body good when I start the slin.
 
I agree, and am really not the slightest bit concerned. But I will monitor the area for lumps as i've done on occassion all cycle long.

I use whey protein isolate post-workout and I have whey protein concentrate that I use if ever I want the convenience of an extra shake. I got mine in 15 pound jugs. Not sure I can source a non-sponsor on here so i'll pm you the source I use. However, since they have gained an influx of new clients they are now much more expensive then they were say two years ago. They say it's pharm grade with absolutely no fillers and I want the purest I can get so it's worked out well to this point.

I was thinking along the very same lines as you as far as diet and supplementation since we are thinking of utilizing the humalog. I will be very cautious about the foods I eat after injection as i don't want any fat stored if I can avoid it. It takes approximately 4 hours to leave your system so i'm thinking I will take in no fats for at least a 6 hour period post-injection.
 
Good work bro, insane progress! How is your diet looking now that you are eating under? I was thinking about doing the same once I hit the 10 week mark on my test prop and dbol cycle, as I've gained a bit of fat. How much fat and carbs are you taking in roughly when eating under maintenance?
 
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letsgetyolked said:
Good work man. How is your diet looking when you are eating under maintenance? I was thinking about doing the same once I hit the 10 week mark on my test prop and dbol cycle, as I've gained a bit of fat. How much fat and carbs are you taking in roughly when eating under maintenance?
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I am not precise on my macros as I have never broken it all down. I'm taking in about 2500 calories now and the only things I limit are sugars and saturated fats. I try and stay under 15 g's of sugar daily and eat as little sat. fats as possible. Other then that, I eat balanced meals and have eaten extremely clean the past two weeks. It makes a world of difference. Using gear on a deficit is awesome because it seems to target solely fat and preserves or adds to your muscle mass. It's a nice cheat code to have.

I assume you are pretty bloated from those compounds. How many pounds are you up and how have the strength gains been?
 
Bulldog2103 said:
I am not precise on my macros as I have never broken it all down. I'm taking in about 2500 calories now and the only things I limit are sugars and saturated fats. I try and stay under 15 g's of sugar daily and eat as little sat. fats as possible. Other then that, I eat balanced meals and have eaten extremely clean the past two weeks. It makes a world of difference. Using gear on a deficit is awesome because it seems to target solely fat and preserves or adds to your muscle mass. It's a nice cheat code to have.

I assume you are pretty bloated from those compounds. How many pounds are you up and how have the strength gains been?
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Nice dude, I think I'm gonna start on that in a few weeks. I'm on week 3 right now. My weight varies dramatically daily. I've gotten up to 189, which is a 14 pound increase, but im usually sitting around 186 now, and even lighter in the mornings at 182. I started dbol about 5 days ago. Strength is continuously shooting up for me. Every week I'm lifting heavier and heavier and setting PR's. Before I started my cycle, I took about 4 weeks off from the gym as I was studying for the MCAT. I came back for 2 weeks to get back in the routine, and then started this cycle. I was pretty weak when I came back, but I've out lifted and beaten all my personal records for every lift except squats ever since. I'm not trying to rush back on lifting heavy on squats, I can lift heavier if I want, I just don't want to hurt myself, by lifiting too heavy. I dropped creatine a few days back as well, since I felt the dbol was giving me a stomach bloat. I also, started doing cardio about 3-4 days a week to try and keep fat gains to a minimum as well. But, the bloat isn't too bad, I'm running 25 mg's of aromasin e/d to combat that.
 
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MCAT huh, well I hope you pass and get in to the school you want brother. Also, when you're a dr. we can come to you to get testosterone prescriptions, haha.

Glad to hear your cycle is working out, pr's are always welcome. If you continue on with your cardio and Aromatase inhibitor (AI) I imagine that at least 90% of your gains will be lean once the bloat comes off. Don't even worry about lifting heavy, if you're constantly knocking down pr's then it's heavier and bigger then you've ever gone so it's all relative. Are you logging it on the forum? If so, i'll have to check in on that.
 
Hahahaha I can't wait for that day. I wish you could prescribe stuff to yourself ha. Yeah man, I'll keep you updated. You got any progress pics with your cycle?
 
I didn't take any before pics but I estimate I was at 13% bodyfat and i'm planning on a 6-pack by the middle of pct so i'm thinking once the bloat falls off I will be around 8% bodyfat. It's crazy to have your bodyfat numbers drop like that when you gain 15 pounds but I guess that is the magic of all of this.

And seriously, i'm coming to you when you become a dr. and I don't want two monthly injects of enanthate or something like that. I'm talking test suspension and propionate on a daily protocol. Get it done!
 
So I went ahead and bailed on doing the sohp. It just didn't seem very safe or even natural without some sort of spotting aid. I looked at doing it inside of the squat rack but I wouldn't have been able to fully extend as i would have hit the top of it. I ended up performing the seated barbell military press and was able to get 275x10x4 sets. I attempted 295 and got 4 clean reps. I'm glad I changed it up but i'll have to watch some vids of the sohp before I try. The theory of it seemed unstable and that it might utilize more legs. I also tried barbell rows where you load one end of it and use the row handle to perform the movement. I feel it worked very well and will definitely do this exercise at least every other week. I started with 4 plates and a 25 and I did a dropset on the last set and it just about killed me. I needed to take a 5 minute break before moving to my next exercise.

Not much else to note from the workout but today i will be changing my doses for the duration of my cycle. I will be on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test and i'm looking at 300-350 mg's of tren to see what kind of results it might bring as well as sides.
 
Hm, what didn't you understand about the lift? Pretty simple mechanics and a spot would be kinda strange... it would be like spotting a deadlift. I too have tried doing it in a cage at times, just because that's all that was available at the time... same problems as you. A walk-out rack works better.

Maybe we're referring to different lifts somehow? If not, just try with the bar next time and work your way up... your midsection may feel a bit unstable at first but you'll adapt to the motion fast I'm sure.

Although you're standing, you're not trying to use any legs in the motion... it's meant to be a strict press. If you want to incorporate leg drive, it becomes a push press. Which is cool too if you wanna do it, but a different exercise.

It IS meant to engage significantly more core, though (the SOHPs)

Yeah Tbar rows are awesome. If you use 25's instead of 45's you can get a greater ROM.

Def interested to see how your body reacts to your new dosing protocol. Good bye bloat!
 
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Yeah man, I just didn't feel comfortable as I was playing it over in my mind. I'm sure I could perform it but at the weight I want to work at I felt I could better isolate it seated. I can see how the abs play a critical role in the lift, but I was at least going to start with 185 and work up and for whatever reason I didn't feel great about it. I'll watch some videos online until it makes more sense and increases my comfort level, but i'm not going to start off at a bs weight. My shoulders are strong so I gotta stack that shit up or go home. Do you come down in front or behind your head and how low do you come down? Nose level?I've always been taught in front was the way to go. Good call on the Tbar rows, I will stack the 25's next time around.

Yeah, i'm looking forward to stripping off this bloat and really seeing the progress I have made in full effect.
 
Bulldog2103 said:
Yeah man, I just didn't feel comfortable as I was playing it over in my mind. I'm sure I could perform it but at the weight I want to work at I felt I could better isolate it seated. I can see how the abs play a critical role in the lift, but I was at least going to start with 185 and work up and for whatever reason I didn't feel great about it. I'll watch some videos online until it makes more sense and increases my comfort level, but i'm not going to start off at a bs weight. My shoulders are strong so I gotta stack that shit up or go home. Do you come down in front or behind your head and how low do you come down?
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Haha na dude, there's no shame in using light weights to perfect your form with an exercise. I'm using a broomstick to get my form on overhead squats down and I don't think any less of myself.

I come down in front... I tend to avoid behind the neck stuff but for no reason in particular. Some people say avoid them because they increase potential for injury, others say do em cause they hit your shit differently... I just don't do em out of habit and cause I feel like weight in front is just more, I dunno, functional I guess.

Nah I bring the bar down to my upper chest with every rep. I'm a stickler for full ROM, plus I mean with any overhead press the shoulders are really only most active at the bottom half of the lift... anything above 90/lockout starts to engage the tris moreso at that point.
 
Yeah he's a quack. He spent half the session looking at my OTHER pec because he thought my pec striations (see the pics I posted few pages back) were actually muscle tears that improperly healed. Does this dude not know basic pectoral anatomy??! That being said, when he finally figured out the problem, he said he thought it was a grade 2 strain that needed 6 weeks off. He advised against all upper body, sans curls and extensions.

I can see why he would suggest that (honestly as a doctor, you can always prescribe more time off than is necessary just to cover your own ass), but I dunno if I agree with his prognosis. A lot of the shit he told me not to do is all stuff I did earlier today with no pain, so we'll see.
 
Yeah, many dr's are useless and just want to cover their ass. You'll know when it's right based off of feel. You know your body better then anybody else, just do your stretches and warmups and take it literally one day at a time. I imagine you'll be good to go in the next two weeks.
 
One bonus to changing up my doses is less PIP. I only get it in my thighs and although it hasn't been bad it is pretty much non-existent now with the lesser volume. The glutes are always g2g even with high volume but this is a welcomed bonus because sometimes it can effect my cardio routine.

I bought an anti-cortisol called suppress-c for pct purposes. I'll also be adding the phosphatidylserine so that when I come off of suppress-c there is no rapid bounce-back. I have also decided to get bulk DAA powder to go along with hcg/clomid for natural test restoration purposes. I'm thinking of using humalog during pct but everything I read says it's synergistic with performance enhancers so i'm not sure whether to use it on my next cycle or in a couple of weeks. I've also concluded that I will add igf-1 Lr3 to my next cycle if I find a source that I trust.
 
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One bonus to changing up my doses is less PIP. I only get it in my thighs and although it hasn't been bad it is pretty much non-existent now with the lesser volume. The glutes are always g2g even with high volume but this is a welcomed bonus because sometimes it can effect my cardio routine.

I bought an anti-cortisol called suppress-c for post cycle therapy (pct) purposes. I'll also be adding the phosphatidylserine so that when I come off of suppress-c there is no rapid bounce-back. I have also decided to get bulk DAA powder to go along with hcg/clomid for natural test restoration purposes. I'm thinking of using humalog during post cycle therapy (pct) but everything I read says it's synergistic with performance enhancers so i'm not sure whether to use it on my next cycle or in a couple of weeks. I've also concluded that I will add igf-1 Lr3 to my next cycle if I find a source that I trust.
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Yeah, same, I get no PIP from tren but tons from prop. Weird.

Re: post cycle therapy (pct) slin use, remember that one of the benefits of slin use is that it helps bolster LH production, which is a huge appeal to me. I think everything is synergistic when youre juicing, but nobody said you couldnt use it during post cycle therapy (pct) as well as next cycle too... I think the only limiting factor would be when you time the next cycle, they say 4 wks on 4 wks off is good for slin so I'd imagine you'd have enough time in between to run it then too anyway

Re: your next cycle, be careful of the synergy of what you use. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on what causes it, but as far as I understand it, growth gut (and I dont mean the bloat type we have now, I mean actual organ distension ala Ronnie Coleman and such) is due mainly to chronically elevated levels of IGF and is especially activated when combined with slin. f course their extended usage probably plays a part too.
 
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