Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

[KobesBryant]

Hey do you have any before pics or current pics by the way?

 

[Bulldog2103]

I feel you. My plan has been to get real cut before I start my cycle so I can eat well on cycle and not worry too much about gaining fat during and during post cycle therapy (pct). Will basically continue my current diet, which is high protein, high carbs, very low fat. At 6.8% bf at the moment, and that's with doing insulin pre/post workout which most people say makes them get fat quick lol. For me the key is staying away from fat and training hard and oftene lol

Damn, your bodyfat is really low. What compounds are you looking to run for your first cycle? Are you looking to bulk?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Hey do you have any before pics or current pics by the way?

I didn't take any before pics but i'm sure I might be able to find a couple on my comp somewhere that are fairly recent. I'll take some post-cycle for comparison. Kinda weirded out putting up pics as one, I am very private and two, I don't want any creeps jerking to it, haha.

 

[Bulldog2103]

I picked up some clen and keto along with other goodies during Rui's sale today and was curious if I should use this during pct? Anybody have any knowledge on this? I will be researching it as well but if anybody has used it I would appreciate their thoughts.

 

[KobesBryant]

I didn't take any before pics but i'm sure I might be able to find a couple on my comp somewhere that are fairly recent. I'll take some post-cycle for comparison. Kinda weirded out putting up pics as one, I am very private and two, I don't want any creeps jerking to it, haha.

Rofl

 

[MN87]

So I've been scouring the web for tren recomp stuff. Check this thread out... 10 week tren cycle:

MSF's 2012 Summer Cut

He did a bod pod test at the end.

Before:
209 lbs
19.4% bf
168 lbs lean bw
40 lbs bodyfat

After:
198 lbs
11.1% bf
176 lbs lean bw
20 lbs bodyfat

In other words, lost 20 pounds body fat and gained 8 pounds lean muscle. This is all on a calorie deficit and only aiming for 200+ grams of protein a day.

You can see the transformation in his pics. Amazing!!

 

[Bulldog2103]

WOW! That is incredible! Thanks for posting, I was already excited about tren and now I am ecstatic. He is amazingly detailed, he must be wired differently. It appears to be the ultimate cheat code, losing 20 pounds of bodyfat and gaining 8 pounds of solid muscle? Oh my, we're going to have some fun.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Hit the shoulders and back up this morning. Started with dumbbell millitary press at 105x9x3, only got 7 reps on the 4th set. Did 4 sets of rows on the machine(cable) at 225x10x2 sets, then dropped down to 210x12x2 sets. Did pulldowns at 205x12x4. Did dumbbell shrugs 85x18-22x4 sets, supersetting with dumbbell shoulder fly's with 40x10x4 sets. Finished with dips to lightly touch the chest and tri's with 3 and a 25 each side for 13x3 sets.

I am very sore today from head to toe due to the added workout so i'm glad I was able to push through a little bit and get in a decent workout. I will be training 6 days per week and will get a much needed rest day every friday before I go big on saturdays chest day, where I hope to PR soon. Starting to get those questions from the fellas at the gym, the "what the fuck are you on" questions so physically the muscles are popping more. I've been getting questions for years due to lifting heavy but i've never had the physical changes I am getting now so it's nice to be properly rewarded for the weights you are lifting.

 

[MN87]

So I've spent some time pouring over that guy's log to see what I can extrapolate and perhaps apply towards my own cycle. I've come up with a few conclusions.

He started at 525 prop/wk + 350 tren/wk, then switched to 350 prop/wk + 525 tren/wk, and ended at 350 tren/wk + 700 tren/wk. No real negative sides of any sort other than night sweats and mild sleeping issues.

I'm going into tomorrow planning on continuing my cutting cycle, but only at a mild deficit (250 under maintenance). From what I gather, his cardio, diet and nutritional approach (carb cycling) are very similar to mine, except that I believe he ran a greater deficit than I will. The fact that he was able to accomplish what he did at his level of deficit encourages me, even though he ran his tren at a higher dose and for longer than I probably will (I will start at 350/wk, and the most I would go to this run would be 500/wk, whereas he finished at 700/wk; I will do 6 weeks, whereas he did 10).

I don't really have a desire to be a whole lot leaner than I am right now, especially since Summer is soon ending, but since my deficit is smaller, I'm sure it will all balance out to some extent. He gained 8 pounds of muscle while cutting... believe me that I can make some seriously strength gains if I gain even half that amount of lean tissue.

Either way, as I've mentioned before, my second/final cycle will be high dose tren in the spring (among other things), and it will be an all-out bulk... it'll be interesting to see how these two cycles compare, but I imagine the spring cycle will provide more gains than this one.

Also bumping HCG to 500 iu once tren begins.

Just thinking out loud in your thread

 

[Bulldog2103]

I'm still in awe over that log. I'm going to start off much more conservatively, but will keep the test higher then the tren initially and adjust from there. I think you could eat even more then you are projecting as for one, your weight is higher then it was pre-cycle, meaning you should up your maintenance cals to accomodate new lean body mass, and two, you will have a compound that specializes in nutrient partitioning, meaning it will maximize every calorie you put into your system.

I would go above maintenance for sure, but you could always test it out for 10 days and make your conclusions at that point. Bottomline: No matter how you eat on tren your overall bodyfat will decrease from where it is currently and your strength gains will improve with the more fuel you give them.

But hell, this is all experimental and we have both learned alot through trial and error, i'm sure this will be no different. I thought I knew alot coming into this cycle and I am simply amazed at how much i've learned since.

 

[MN87]

Bottomline: No matter how you eat on tren your overall bodyfat will decrease from where it is currently and your strength gains will improve with the more fuel you give them.

This is true... argh.. stop trying to tempt me into bulking and just let me cut dammit!

 

[KobesBryant]

This is true... argh.. stop trying to tempt me into bulking and just let me cut dammit!

I feel like every everone thinks you can only cut or bulk and can't do both at once... In the last 3 months, with no juice, I've gone from 169-179 lbs and reduced my body fat from probably 11% to 6.8%. So I've gone from probably 150 pounds lean muscle to 166 pounds lean muscle and have lost 7 pounds of fat. I think my math is correct there.

I simply train almost every day, often times twice a day, do cardio at least a few times a week, and eat seriously clean on the weekdays and kind of bad on the weekends. On the week days I eat little to no fat, but high protein and carbs and very often. On the weekends I kind of eat shitty and drink more than I should.

I think people think to bulk you have to eat shitty, or maybe they know better, but just don't have the disccipline to eat clean lol. I see no reason why you can't eat a ton of protein and carbs, and no fat and see gains in muscle and losses in fat. it works for me, but I guess everyone is different. I can't imagine how good my results are going to be once I start my first cycle next week

*disclaimer- I used insulin post workout for 3 weeks before, took 3 weeks off, and now have been taking insulin pre work out for 3 weeks. I don't know how much muscle gain can be attributed to that, but I do know most people say when they are using insulin they get fat quick, and I have been continuing to cut (I eat literally like zero fat for the 4 hour window while insulin is in my system though, and shit tons of carbs and protein)

 

[Bulldog2103]

Had another chest, tri and ab workout today and my body is begging for a rest. My arms feel dead and go somewhat numb if you will during the workout but they will adjust to the new workload. I figured there would be some residual soreness from the increased load and intensity and am looking forward to a much needed rest day on friday. Until then, I will take my icy-hot bath and hope not to tear anything.

Hit up a chest machine that I never perform just to hit a different angle. It was a seated chest press and I put on 5 plates a side and did 8-11 reps for 4 sets super-setting with wide grip pushups to get an extra stretch. Standing two-handed cable tri extensions, machine maxes at 200 so I added 40 pounds with 4 10's and did 4 sets of 8-14 reps. Stayed there and did reverse grip tri extensions at 160 pounds and did 4 sets 10-14 reps.

Moved over to the bench and did close reverse-grip bench to hit the backside of my tri's and did 225x8-12 for 4 sets. After this, my arms were throbbing so I finished out with ab work on a decline bench with a 45 and did 3 sets of 20-25 reps, with oblique work also mixed in. I super-setted this with leg raises while hanging on the pullup bar for 3 sets at 10 reps each.

It wasn't the best workout and i'm not even sure it is productive overall but I will try this out another week and see how my body responds strength-wise as i'm looking for a boost. Other then the over-worked muscles, I am feeling great and plenty motivated.

 

[MN87]

I feel like every everone thinks you can only cut or bulk and can't do both at once... In the last 3 months, with no juice, I've gone from 169-179 lbs and reduced my body fat from probably 11% to 6.8%. So I've gone from probably 150 pounds lean muscle to 166 pounds lean muscle and have lost 7 pounds of fat. I think my math is correct there.

I simply train almost every day, often times twice a day, do cardio at least a few times a week, and eat seriously clean on the weekdays and kind of bad on the weekends. On the week days I eat little to no fat, but high protein and carbs and very often. On the weekends I kind of eat shitty and drink more than I should.

I think people think to bulk you have to eat shitty, or maybe they know better, but just don't have the disccipline to eat clean lol. I see no reason why you can't eat a ton of protein and carbs, and no fat and see gains in muscle and losses in fat. it works for me, but I guess everyone is different. I can't imagine how good my results are going to be once I start my first cycle next week

*disclaimer- I used insulin post workout for 3 weeks before, took 3 weeks off, and now have been taking insulin pre work out for 3 weeks. I don't know how much muscle gain can be attributed to that, but I do know most people say when they are using insulin they get fat quick, and I have been continuing to cut (I eat literally like zero fat for the 4 hour window while insulin is in my system though, and shit tons of carbs and protein)

Nice man! Definitely start keeping a log!!! What will you run? Your insulin use intrigues me, it is something I would like to learn more about to eventually incorporate for myself... are you gonna continue it on cycle?

 

[MN87]

Had another chest, tri and ab workout today and my body is begging for a rest. My arms feel dead and go somewhat numb if you will during the workout but they will adjust to the new workload. I figured there would be some residual soreness from the increased load and intensity and am looking forward to a much needed rest day on friday. Until then, I will take my icy-hot bath and hope not to tear anything.

Hit up a chest machine that I never perform just to hit a different angle. It was a seated chest press and I put on 5 plates a side and did 8-11 reps for 4 sets super-setting with wide grip pushups to get an extra stretch. Standing two-handed cable tri extensions, machine maxes at 200 so I added 40 pounds with 4 10's and did 4 sets of 8-14 reps. Stayed there and did reverse grip tri extensions at 160 pounds and did 4 sets 10-14 reps.

Moved over to the bench and did close reverse-grip bench to hit the backside of my tri's and did 225x8-12 for 4 sets. After this, my arms were throbbing so I finished out with ab work on a decline bench with a 45 and did 3 sets of 20-25 reps, with oblique work also mixed in. I super-setted this with leg raises while hanging on the pullup bar for 3 sets at 10 reps each.

It wasn't the best workout and i'm not even sure it is productive overall but I will try this out another week and see how my body responds strength-wise as i'm looking for a boost. Other then the over-worked muscles, I am feeling great and plenty motivated.

Reverse grip... now there's an exercise I'd really like to get on. I remember trying it a while back and it being a colossal failure... the form was so difficult for me to master. But I feel that it would really help me bench too... how do you compare reverse grip to close grip/floor presses (if you do them)/dips/other triceps strength variations?

 

[KobesBryant]

Nice man! Definitely start keeping a log!!! What will you run? Your insulin use intrigues me, it is something I would like to learn more about to eventually incorporate for myself... are you gonna continue it on cycle?

You know... I kind of want to do the test by itself just to see what kind of results I get from it, but I'm gonna say f it and continue it on cycle to some extent.

 

[Bulldog2103]

Reverse grip... now there's an exercise I'd really like to get on. I remember trying it a while back and it being a colossal failure... the form was so difficult for me to master. But I feel that it would really help me bench too... how do you compare reverse grip to close grip/floor presses (if you do them)/dips/other triceps strength variations?

I really liked it, my tri's were pumped and popping and it's always good to get the maximum amount of weight you can on a muscle and accentuate the negative for time under tension growth. I believe it to work a different head of the muscle then on the dips as the grip for dips is a side one typically. I, however change grips when I dip for this exact reason, I like to hit the muscle heads differently for optimal development and balance.

I hadn't done this particular exercise in a few months but now that I am lifting 6 days per it will part of my weekly routine. I recommend the 2 second pause at the bottom before exploding up, I do this with most exercises and i've definitely seen strength and development gains because of it. With that said, I have a training partner so there is always a spotter to help at failure so you should definitely grab someone so you can get the most out of it.

 

[Bulldog2103]

You know... I kind of want to do the test by itself just to see what kind of results I get from it, but I'm gonna say f it and continue it on cycle to some extent.

You're going to get great results with test only. Add in your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and some insulin post-workout and you'll be straight. You might as well pin the hcg and insulin together as they are both used in an insulin syringe. When are you looking to start?

 

[Bulldog2103]

Interesting note to report: I have been taking clomid at 25mg's every other day for the past week as I felt my testes may have been shrinking a touch and last night when I was having sex and about to finish there was quite the surprise. Let's put it this way, it didn't shoot where I anticipated due to the sheer volume and speed that it ejected out. I aimed for the tits and got the hair, the volume probably quadrupled in size and the force it left with was greater then any other time I remember. I was a gentleman about it and offered to help with cleanup, got her a nice damp towel to help get it out, haha, good times.

I have been using hcg but I decided to add a low dose clomid to experiment and I am very happy with the combination. I'm on 0.3 of hcg daily with the clomid at 25mg's every other day. It's a good combo for me. Also, I didn't use the liquid varden and all was fine throughout. However, I will be experimenting with it this weekend and will report back.

 

[MN87]

Rut roh... nutting in her hair? This girl's never hitting you up again lol

But that's very interesting to me, I keep reading stuff about Clomid providing many similar benefits as HCG. Can you say for certain that the extra load was due to the Clomid and not the HCG? Makes me almost wonder if Clomid renders HCG disposable... people often recommend doing a blast phase with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), I wonder if Clomid dosing will accomplish similar things.