Bulldogs First Cycle (Pinnacle)

MN87 said:
Rut roh... nutting in her hair? This girl's never hitting you up again lol

But that's very interesting to me, I keep reading stuff about Clomid providing many similar benefits as HCG. Can you say for certain that the extra load was due to the Clomid and not the HCG? Makes me almost wonder if Clomid renders HCG disposable... people often recommend doing a blast phase with Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), I wonder if Clomid dosing will accomplish similar things.
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100% certainty that clomid is responsible for that particular load. She was a very nice looking girl but I wasn't overwhelmed with enough excitement to propel that. I didn't anticipate it but thought it was pretty epic when it happened. From what i'm experiencing, clomid may very well render hcg dispensable and I will try clomid solo next cycle to find out for myself. With that being said, i'll still have hcg on hand just in case.

Very excited about this and I have to give props to our sponsor, RUI. I hate having to drink a liquid because there are more convenient options, but with that said I will be buying again and again from them because their letro and clomid have surpassed all expectations.

Oh yeah and she's coming over tonight for another round, though I think she'll be more prepared and have her defenses up this time.
 
So I tried some reverse grip today dude... awesome awesome shit. Let me ask you though, what kinda form do you use? Like, what grip width do you use, how low do you press it, and how do you hold the bar? I used a very wide grip, outside of the rings, I pressed it literally to my tummy, and I held it on the meat of my palms near my thumb... the meat near my pinkies literally was applying very little pressure to the bar. I found that doing it this way gave me less wrist pain than a "full and equal" grip, if that makes sense.

Also I wanted to ask you, but how long are you gonna run your cycle for? Are you gonna run test longer than tren? What kinda post cycle therapy (pct) do you currently have lined up?

On another note I'm very glad I ended up starting a log. I had doubts as to whether I'd get anything positive out of it but I've definitely gotten some feedback in my log that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise which has DEFINITELY made a positive impact on my shit. And its just been a motivating experience too. Hope my log has helped you in return as well :)
 
Glad you enjoyed the reverse grip. I basically go shoulder width, maybe a touch outside of that. I try and find the psoitioning that will enable my elbows to stay in tight to keep all of the tension on the tri's. I go down fully to the top of my abdomen and explode up. Same thing as you with the grip, the pinky is just sort of complimentary, not much involvement in the lift.

I plan on running this cycle another 5-6 weeks with test and tren throughout the duration. I want to get at least a good month in of tren so I can see what it does at it's peak blood level wise. It will give me some good experience on whether or not it will be included into my next cycle. As far as post cycle therapy (pct), I have clomid, hcg and also nolvadex on hand though based off of what you have said regarding igf-1 levels I will probably go out and get another serm. I've heard good things on torem so I may combine that with the clomid. I'll do some research and see what best fits my needs but that's where my head is at initially.

I completely agree man, i've never been one to publically broadcast things that I do, more of a lone ranger and content with that but this has been a great experience. I have learned so much through this and yet I feel as though I will learn alot more. Plus it's always nice to have dialogue with like-minded people who bust their ass in the gym. Not too many of those guys at my gym so it's good to have that extra motivation knowing that you are putting in your work to better yourself and I will be doing the same.

How about you, what do you have lined up for post cycle therapy (pct) and how much longer will you be on cycle?
 
Well, I started Tren Wednesday was thinking of running it 6 weeks (till Monday Sep 10). People seem to advise running test a little bit longer than tren, and I'll still have some anavar left over at that point... so for the week following I'd like to finish off my Anavar (var) (it will run out the following Sunday) and probably a few more pins of prop (maybe tapering it down, not sure yet). In total, that would leave me with a 13 week cycle.

PCT... some things are definite, but lotta things to think about. I'll definitely be running Clomid and Aromasin, and I'm definitely upping the cals by as much as 500. Some will probably say this is a recipe for fat gain, but I don't think so... I'm sure I'll have added mass from the tren that I'll need to account for, not to mention the fact that I'm using PCT as an opportunity to turn my cutting cycle into a lean bulk. Other than that, I've been looking into insulin and GHRPs... I'm hoping the GHRPs will help me keep me lean, and that the insulin will help me ideally partition the nutrients I take in.

Something that might interest you... apparently insulin helps bolster LH and FSH production, which is why I feel they'd be perfect for post cycle therapy (pct). From what I gather the typical slin cycle is 4 weeks on 4 weeks off (but maybe you can ask your boy who uses it to see his protocol)... so its probably in my best interest to forgoe using it on cycle for these next 6 weeks and instead wait for PCT.

Other than the igf levels thing, they also say Nolva during PCT is a bad idea when using progestins like tren or deca anyway... so although I'll have it on hand, I won't run it unless I run into some unforeseen complications (like unbearable Clomid sides or something).

Other than that, yeah, looking into Torem, and Triptorellin. From what I remember reading, one shot of Trip is enough to restore the HPTA... unfortunately its pretty dangerous if used improperly. Also trying to gauge the whole HCG blast phase thing.

Not sure how long my PCT will last... I don't imagine it lasting any longer than 6 weeks though. Will probably get bloodwork done some time after PCT, in November/December.
 
Nice find about insulin, I would have never connected it to LH and FSH production. I know my friend runs short 6 week cycles and uses insulin throughout and then goes off for the same amount of time. Right now he is on test, tren, insulin, hgh, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), igf-1 Lr3, finasteride and I believe a low dose nolva. So he'll go 6 weeks on, 6 off and then he'll probably go into his d-bol-anavar cycle with all of the other complimentary ancillaries.

He doesn't lift for strength so he's nowhere near our bracket but he looks big and strong. It's always funny to me when people look overly capable and they just aren't. I would rather be able to perform any day of the week versus look the part and come up short. But what i've found is, if you can perform, the side effect of that is that you will look good.

Triptorellin sounds hardcore! one shot for full restoration? Damn, I don't think I would fuck with that.

I'll try and time it up so we can hit a bulking cycle around the same time. I'll be much more liberal with my dosing at that time, however i've gotten really good results off of these dummy doses. My biceps have gotten much bigger and I train them the least. Back is bigger, chest, shoulders. My legs haven't visually gained size, but they are certainly firmer and the one bodypart that is getting stronger.
 
Nice, dude, I mean hopefully we are both recovered enough to be able to cycle at similar times again. It'll be interesting to compare cycles/progress/sides/all that stuff since I assume we'll both be running some variation of test/tren. Have you given any thought to anything else regarding your cycle? Any orals? I'm thinking of an oral kickstart to get shit kicking quick (which may change depending on the kick-in time of tren A this run around), and an oral to end my cycle as well, since I'll probably want to run test longer than tren and have an oral fill in the void when tren leaves. Dbol, drol, and halo are what I'm interested in right now.
 
I anticipate that tren will kick in tomorrow for you, or tomorrow night while you sleep. Based on my friends usage, he says he feels it 2 and a half to 3 days in. It may wake you up to let you know it's arrived. I wish my stuff came in today. Unfortunately, it's looking like tomorrow at best and monday at worst. I did get my clen, but that'll just collect dust for awhile. Though I do wonder if since I will be eating above maintenance post-cycle that it could help shed any extra fat I would have otherwise gained. Still though, an anti-catabolic agent to bridge would be my first choice.

I'm not really partial to orals in theory due to organ stress so the most I would go with is var, due to its relatively mild nature. Primo also fits that bill, but i'd have to go through a vet pharmacy in mexico to get it in pill form so more then likely I would just do an injectable version if that's what I wanted. I haven't put much thought into the next cycle other then the fact that ideally test/tren would be the foundation for it. Since it's a bulker, it would make alot of sense to get insulin involved, and i'll probably mess around with igf-1 because they're both post-workout and can be loaded in the same syringe. Convenience rules the day.
 
Didn't have my training partner (flu) so I lifted lighter then usual. Did 315x10x3 sets. I haven't ever been able to rep 315 for double digits for three sets in a row. I've hit 12 before but have never had the endurance to get 10+ in every set so hopefully that's a good sign for my next max out day. I want 400 here in the next two weeks.

Performed drop sets on my tri's and they were absolutely exploding out of my skin, I may get some stretch marks there. Drop sets will definitely be added for a final set burnout on everything that I do. I'll bet they'll be alot of fun on the squats tomorrow. It was a great workout, feel as good as ever energy wise. I better get my tren today, and I hope I respond well to it, i'm usually pretty sensitive to new things so hopefully the low dose will help the transition.
 
Just received my tren order! Looks like some dark urine. Today isn't a Pin day so i'll have to try and hold off until tomorrow, although I may convince myself otherwise. I also got some Anavar (var) but i'll probably use that for another cycle. I am looking forward to seeing how tren can up my progress as it's the "master" steroid. I just hope it doesn't bitchslap me and kick my ass too much. I've read that the higher the test dosage is, the more side effects are likely from the tren, even at a small dose. I don't quite understand that, all I can think of is dht and estro conversion would be higher which would bring about more aggression and bloat, but i can't grasp how that impacts the tren directly. Any ideas on that theory?
 
NO PIN IT TODAY. NOW NOW NOW

I think you misunderstand the theory behind tren higher than test (or maybe I do haha). First of all, as far as I understand it at least, the theory only really becomes applicable when higher doses of test and tren are both in the equation (like 500+). The logic is that test and tren compete for the same receptor, and tren will win out every time, so theres no reason to run a gram of test with a gram of tren, since gram for gram tren will win out every time and you'll just have a gram of test floating around, not binding to shit, and free to convert to either DHT or estrogen, etc etc. If you're gonna run high dose tren, then just run a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose of test for your pecker, but for the lowish doses of tren we're running for now, it shouldn't matter.

PS: have you read anywhere that prami decreases cortisol? I feel like I have but I can't find that anywhere... if thats the case (going back to a previous convo of ours) I think it may be a good idea to run during PCT.

PSS: what kinda tri stuff do you do?
 
Part of me wants to pin now and another part wants me to hide it from myself. I'm seriously uneasy about the sides, especially with the heat out here being 100+ everyday. For that reason, it seems optimal to run solely in the winter. Now I won't back out, i'll be pinning it here soon but I am not going into it with total confidence.

I understand about competing for the same receptors which pushes test to convert to dht or estro at a higher ratio. What I don't get is how, when it does that that it enhances the side effects of the tren you are using. I haven't read this in a study, but plenty of people with logs swear by this fact. So what i'm trying to figure out is how does increased dht and estro even factor in to increasing tren sides? I just can't see the connection and maybe what they specualte is false. The only thing I can see from this is that the higher dht conversion could cause more aggressiveness and irritability but that has nothing to do with tren. Confusing shit, I wish I could find studies on this but it all seems experimental and subjective.

I actually read the opposite about prami concerning cortisol levels. However, they stated that it was only a slight cortisol increase. Here's the link: Pramipexole~effects explored
It states it in the first post.

As far as tri's, I do a variety of exercises. Skullcrushers, close-grip bench(overhand and reverse grip), weighted dips or dip machine, Cable extensions(both one arm and two with overhand and reverse grips), two-handed dumbell extensions, tricep kickbacks. I actually want to try a reverse grip skullcrusher, it will be awkward but I think it will be effective. I'll give it a shot on monday. That's pretty much the core of my tricep work. You got any cool exercises I can add?

Insulin is interesting, I think we should get the Humalog, it is in and out of your system in 4 hours so it hits our anabolic window and exits. I've read 1IU per 15-20 pounds of lean body weight. They say it also helps with transporting creatine to the muscles so that will also be part of my regimen. Scary shit if used improperly, I certainly won't use it anywhere near the evening as hypoglycemia can hit you in your sllep and we would be completely unaware. Fuck all that.
 
Part of me wants to pin now and another part wants me to hide it from myself. I'm seriously uneasy about the sides, especially with the heat out here being 100+ everyday. For that reason, it seems optimal to run solely in the winter. Now I won't back out, i'll be pinning it here soon but I am not going into it with total confidence.

I understand about competing for the same receptors which pushes test to convert to dht or estro at a higher ratio. What I don't get is how, when it does that that it enhances the side effects of the tren you are using. I haven't read this in a study, but plenty of people with logs swear by this fact. So what i'm trying to figure out is how does increased dht and estro even factor in to increasing tren sides? I just can't see the connection and maybe what they specualte is false. The only thing I can see from this is that the higher dht conversion could cause more aggressiveness and irritability but that has nothing to do with tren. Confusing shit, I wish I could find studies on this but it all seems experimental and subjective.

I actually read the opposite about prami concerning cortisol levels. However, they stated that it was only a slight cortisol increase. Here's the link: Pramipexole~effects explored
It states it in the first post.

As far as tri's, I do a variety of exercises. Skullcrushers, close-grip bench(overhand and reverse grip), weighted dips or dip machine, Cable extensions(both one arm and two with overhand and reverse grips), two-handed dumbell extensions, tricep kickbacks. I actually want to try a reverse grip skullcrusher, it will be awkward but I think it will be effective. I'll give it a shot on monday. That's pretty much the core of my tricep work. You got any cool exercises I can add?

Insulin is interesting, I think we should get the Humalog, it is in and out of your system in 4 hours so it hits our anabolic window and exits. I've read 1IU per 15-20 pounds of lean body weight. They say it also helps with transporting creatine to the muscles so that will also be part of my regimen. Scary shit if used improperly, I certainly won't use it anywhere near the evening as hypoglycemia can hit you in your sllep and we would be completely unaware. Fuck all that.
 
See, I don't think it enhances the side effects of the tren though. Tren sides will be tren sides. As far as I understand it, I think the sides you are actually referring to are from the excess test which isn't used up and therefore converts into some form of estro/DHT which itself are the causes for the sides.

Ok, must been mistaken about the prami... but I def want to look into some sort of cortisol blocker for PCT.

My friend does reverse grip skulls, he loves em. I haven't had a lot of success with the typical tri stuff you see people doing... but these are my favorites (only including ones you didn't mention):
- Tate presses (everyone who tries these always loves em)
- French presses with a barbell (I think this is what they're called, not sure, but basically you grab a barbell overhead, lock your elbows in place, and do extensions while controlling the bar downward... just imagine OH DB extensions except they're OH BB extensions... really hit your long head well)
- Floor presses (can vary it up with these... DBs with elbows tucked is GREAT or you can use different specialty bars and/or different grips)
- OH extensions with a cable (same as OH DB extensions but I prefer using a cable)
- wide grip pushdowns on a lat bar and elbows tucked

Any time I do cables I'll always flare out at the completion of the rep and squeeze really hard. Supersetting has also done me great, I love to create a circuit and then burn out with some bench dips to failure to finish myself off. Other than that there's a lot of powerlifting stuff, but I dunno if you're into that. Board presses, you can use chains, you can try JM presses but those kill my wrist.

Re: insulin, I'd love humalog but you need a prescription unless you order from a non-US pharmacy. Humalin-R you can just walk into CVS and buy on the spot... so I dunno, I guess we'll see. I've never really been big on creatine or glutamine (or supps in general) but maybe I will give it a shot for the slin shots. I'm researching a whole bunch of things at the moment but insulin is definitely at the very top of my interest list right now haha
 
Well, the insulin and creatine can be used even if you are drug-tested come next year so it is probably the best natural combo that you could come by. My buddy uses humalog, but he gets it from his vet pharmacy so if you wanted I could pick you up some and mail it out to you. That's what i'll be using, I want something that is in and out. Beyond that, test suspension clears within a week so that would be a possibility depending on how much notice they would give you.

I'm going to start exploring before and after results with insulin because from what i'm reading it can really have a dramatic effect. I hope that it can work well and become a staple because it is very cheap. So, it seems it is ideal to have simple sugars during that period, so maybe some dextrose or something along those lines mixed in with your protein shake.
 
That's a possibility... I mean humalog definitely seems like the superior method. So here's a question. When you cycle on insulin, do you try to take in EXTRA nutrition to match the insulin usage? (i.e. your caloric intake increases) Or does it just make the nutrients you take in MORE EFFICIENT? (i.e. your net total caloric intake on the cycle stays the same)
 
I think the goal for a new user would be to take in the extra nutrition to match the insulin. If it doesn't match that's when it sounds like people run into trouble. So, if you wanted to maintain your current post-workout cals then I imagine you simply would use less insulin, depending on how big or small that meal is.

Apparently, it is best to have a high carb high protein meal post-workout and once again about an hour and a half later. And even with that protocol, they say to keep some gatorade, bananas or another sugar filled snack on you. I will start at about 4IU's and probably never exceed 8 at any point. For me, I just want to maximize my post-workout meal, anything beyond that would be great but not all that necessary so i'll start off on the lower end of the spectrum.

I'm thinking a mix of slower digesting carbs along with a fast acting one is the way to go. So for me, a cup of oats and a couple scoops of dextrose would probably due the trick mixed in with my protein shake and creatine. Hopefully the slower digesting carbs can hold you over until the slin leaves your system.

I wouldn't want the hassle of having to eat a carb source every hour on the hour. Sometimes, life gets in the way and if you didn't plan for it you could be fucked.
 
I'll probably also load up on bcaa's and throw a couple scoops of that in. I know protein is loaded with them but more probably couldn't hurt.
 
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