Deca for medicinal purposes

[bigben66]

Hi all

I'm reading a lot of good things about the benefits of running deca throughout the year for joint relief. I was wondering if anyone could fill me in on a few things....

I'm on TRT, and will soon be blasting and cruising once I have a TRT protocol finalised with my Doc.

What dosage of Deca would users recommend for joint relief whilst on a cruise?

When you run a blast do you move to different compounds and stay at your low dose of Deca - or do you just increase your intake of Deca and blast?

Does Deca actually help the joints - or does it just mask the pain?

Is Deca likely to work for arthritis?

Does it matter if I use NPP or Deca - bearing in mind I will be running it long term?

Any thoughts fellas would be helpful...

BigBen

 

[GOTGrowth]

Whether or not you use NPP or deca is up to you. If you are using it long term go with deca or you will be injecting the NPP every day or every other day. NPP users hold less water then deca users do and it is faster acting which is desirable and why sometimes it is chosen over deca. Deca is supposed to relieve pain in your body by acting as an anti-inflammatory and in my experience it does help with pain. If you decide to run a blast you might increase your testosterone dosage, you could increase your deca dosage, and you might throw in something else to help with your blast. Hope this helps.

 

[Megatron28]

A cruise dose of deca is usually 100-200mg. Lots of guys find they get joint relief at the lower end of the range so start their. This will mean less aromatization and you might be able to avoid needing to take a Dopamine Agonist (prami or caber). If you can avoid needing a DA while cruising I think you will be happier. The key is making sure that youe estradiol stays in the safe range.

Deca increases synovial fluid in the joints which makes them feel better. Over the long term it can also help generate connective tissue which should help your joints feel better as well. But in general, when you stop taking the deca the joint pain will return.

What you do on a blast depends on what you are trying to do. You have lots of options. But if you blast deca make sure you use a DA - especially with your past ED experience. You will need to check you prolactin levels while running deca. Even on the cruise dose. So get a baseline value for Prolactin too for reference.

NPP and Deca are both nandrolone. Just different esters. It makes no difference as to which on you use. Just like test e and prop are both testosterone. For long term use, deca would generally be preferred due to less frequent pinning.

As for arthritis, I don't have personal experience, but I would imagine that it would help some if it isn't too severe. Certainly worth trying.

 

[bigben66]

A cruise dose of deca is usually 100-200mg. Lots of guys find they get joint relief at the lower end of the range so start their. This will mean less aromatization and you might be able to avoid needing to take a Dopamine Agonist (prami or caber). If you can avoid needing a DA while cruising I think you will be happier. The key is making sure that youe estradiol stays in the safe range.

Deca increases synovial fluid in the joints which makes them feel better. Over the long term it can also help generate connective tissue which should help your joints feel better as well. But in general, when you stop taking the deca the joint pain will return.

What you do on a blast depends on what you are trying to do. You have lots of options. But if you blast deca make sure you use a DA - especially with your past ED experience. You will need to check you prolactin levels while running deca. Even on the cruise dose. So get a baseline value for Prolactin too for reference.

NPP and Deca are both nandrolone. Just different esters. It makes no difference as to which on you use. Just like test e and prop are both testosterone. For long term use, deca would generally be preferred due to less frequent pinning.

As for arthritis, I don't have personal experience, but I would imagine that it would help some if it isn't too severe. Certainly worth trying.

Thanks Megatron and GOTgrowth...

I'm guessing you mean 200mg per week?

If so, and I'll probably choose Deca over NPP, would this be better split over 2 doses? Or just one injection of 200mg each week?

Also, I have Adex on hand right now - what would be a good starting dose of Adex at 200mg of Deca per week?

Thanks for the input fellas, much appreciated!

BigBen

 

[BulletWoods]

I do not have answers to most of your questions, but my last cycle was Test/Deca and I actually noticed my joints hurting worse than just Test. May have had something to do with pushing more weight, or body growth because I really put it on during that cycle, but I was noticing wrist pain, shoulder pain, and elbow pain much more frequently. Just for what it's worth, I was not very convinced of the joint relief side of Deca.

 

[bigben66]

I do not have answers to most of your questions, but my last cycle was Test/Deca and I actually noticed my joints hurting worse than just Test. May have had something to do with pushing more weight, or body growth because I really put it on during that cycle, but I was noticing wrist pain, shoulder pain, and elbow pain much more frequently. Just for what it's worth, I was not very convinced of the joint relief side of Deca.

Wow! That's unusual!

I've read literally hundreds of positives - and you are the first negative so far!

I guess we are all different - unless your deca was bunk?

 

[BulletWoods]

Doubtful. Very reputable lab and like I said....saw very nice gains. May have been strength gains allowing me to push more weight and my joints not being able to handle it. Who knows, but I would definitely try Deca again.

 

[smittiot]

I too seemed to have slightly worse joint pain when I used deca. Was pushing heavier weight too, so??? Who knows.
I do notice that my joints are less sore when I am on TestE vs nothing at all. Again, that seems contradictory.

 

[bigben66]

I guess the only way for me to find out is to give it a try...

Cheers for the input fellas

 

[STAUNCHED427]

I am going to add in deca at 300mg per week alongside my 250mg TRT/Cruise, the main purpose was for joint relief and increased connective tissue increase but I am also treating it as a little blast. If the deca proves to help alleviate pain and like mentioned act as an anti-inflammatory, allow and/or increased healing of joints/con. tissue, then I will most likely reduce my test to 200mg per week and run deca at 100mg per week alongside it. Even if at best it just provides me joint relief via the increased synovial fluid, then great, because it sure beats taking pain meds/anti-inflammatory or anything else to try combat the pain.

I have also read from another member here that their physio or some other doctor actually recommended for an injury they sustained that they use deca as the simple increase in joint lubrication and anti-inflammatory properties of deca alone will allow an injury to recover faster.

Some say deca has no place in TRT, but IMO I think it has it's place in TRT for this reason alone.

 

[Roush]

I do not have answers to most of your questions, but my last cycle was Test/Deca and I actually noticed my joints hurting worse than just Test. May have had something to do with pushing more weight, or body growth because I really put it on during that cycle, but I was noticing wrist pain, shoulder pain, and elbow pain much more frequently. Just for what it's worth, I was not very convinced of the joint relief side of Deca.

^^ pretty much the same for me.. but it prob was pushing more weight that was the cause of increased joint pain on deca.
I took HGH and 150 mg a week of deca after a surgery to help with regeneration.. joints felt good and the healing process was good.
I got on a test deca cycle 10 weeks ago.. running 500 mg of deca.. My joints hurt like hell now. Deca is not helping that at all.. BUT I'm pounding the weights hard, my working set of bench is up 60 lbs.. everything else is up. Deca may help with some joint lubrication, but if your strength is going way up while on Deca and your lifting heavy.. expect more joint pain, not less (that's my experience)
But, when I was on the low cruising dose and not lifting.. joints felt great.

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks Megatron and GOTgrowth...

I'm guessing you mean 200mg per week?

If so, and I'll probably choose Deca over NPP, would this be better split over 2 doses? Or just one injection of 200mg each week?

Also, I have Adex on hand right now - what would be a good starting dose of Adex at 200mg of Deca per week?

Thanks for the input fellas, much appreciated!

BigBen

Yes, 100-200mg per week.

Usually I would tell guys to pin deca at the same frequency as they pin their test for TRT. But since you are on Nebido, I would recommend once a week for you.

As for adex, I would probably stay on whatever you are currently using for TRT and get blood work to see if your E2 is getting too high. And don't forget to have prami or caber available in case your prolactin spikes up.

 

[Megatron28]

I too seemed to have slightly worse joint pain when I used deca. Was pushing heavier weight too, so??? Who knows.
I do notice that my joints are less sore when I am on TestE vs nothing at all. Again, that seems contradictory.

It could have been that your E2 was too low. That definitely affects your joints as well. I find that my joints feel a lot better when my E2 is on the higher side of the normal range. Just something else to consider.

 

[BulletWoods]

I too seemed to have slightly worse joint pain when I used deca. Was pushing heavier weight too, so??? Who knows.
I do notice that my joints are less sore when I am on TestE vs nothing at all. Again, that seems contradictory.

Good to know! I was feeling like the last of the Mohicans!

 

[bigben66]

Yes, 100-200mg per week.

Usually I would tell guys to pin deca at the same frequency as they pin their test for TRT. But since you are on Nebido, I would recommend once a week for you.

As for adex, I would probably stay on whatever you are currently using for TRT and get blood work to see if your E2 is getting too high. And don't forget to have prami or caber available in case your prolactin spikes up.

Yes, if I remember rightly, it was Austinite (moderator) that advocated the use of low-dose Deca whilst on TRT...

So, I think to start, I'll run 200mg Deca each week alongside my TRT dose of 1000mg/4ml of Test Undecanoate (every 6 weeks) and 0.25 Adex EOD...

If this helps me - I can then start to reduce the Deca slightly to 100-150mg per week, alternatively, if I don't see any benefit, I can drop it again.

Sounds like a plan!

 

[bigben66]

^^ pretty much the same for me.. but it prob was pushing more weight that was the cause of increased joint pain on deca.
I took HGH and 150 mg a week of deca after a surgery to help with regeneration.. joints felt good and the healing process was good.
I got on a test deca cycle 10 weeks ago.. running 500 mg of deca.. My joints hurt like hell now. Deca is not helping that at all.. BUT I'm pounding the weights hard, my working set of bench is up 60 lbs.. everything else is up. Deca may help with some joint lubrication, but if your strength is going way up while on Deca and your lifting heavy.. expect more joint pain, not less (that's my experience)
But, when I was on the low cruising dose and not lifting.. joints felt great.

Yeah, I can see how that might be the case... unfortunately I have bad arthritis in my left elbow, and minimal cartilage left after an op a few years back, so my days of VERY heavy lifting are well over...

On my next blast I'll be making sure that my poundages don't get silly, and concentrate more on muscle pump and taking more sets to failure. I have to learn my limitations and work round them. There is no doubt that the damage I suffer from now was caused by heavy lifting back in the day!

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Bigben, I have just started 350mg deca alongside my TRT so will let you know how it pans out.

 

[bigben66]

Bigben, I have just started 350mg deca alongside my TRT so will let you know how it pans out.

Perfect, I'd appreciate it if you could buddy... I'm not looking to start this for a month or two just yet - got a knee operation imminent, and still working on a TRT protocol and injection frequency with my doc. If you could give me feedback that would really help

Good luck with your programme mate,

BigBen

 

[STAUNCHED427]

No problems, anticipating good results with the deca.

 

[bigben66]

Whether or not you use NPP or deca is up to you. If you are using it long term go with deca or you will be injecting the NPP every day or every other day. NPP users hold less water then deca users do and it is faster acting which is desirable and why sometimes it is chosen over deca. Deca is supposed to relieve pain in your body by acting as an anti-inflammatory and in my experience it does help with pain. If you decide to run a blast you might increase your testosterone dosage, you could increase your deca dosage, and you might throw in something else to help with your blast. Hope this helps.

I'm a little confused as to why users would hold more water on Deca than NPP?

Surely they are both Nandrolone - but mixed with different estered oils?