MBB
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I think that'll depend on your goals. If your goal is joint relief than yes 200mg is enough, but if your using Deca as part of a bulk a higher dose can definitely be beneficial, especially if you run a low dose of test.
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I think that'll depend on your goals. If your goal is joint relief than yes 200mg is enough, but if your using Deca as part of a bulk a higher dose can definitely be beneficial, especially if you run a low dose of test.
MBB
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I haven't gone ahead with the Deca for joint benefits yet so I can't comment on the efficacy, but that's not to say I won't be trying it in the future. Hopefully Staunched will chime in.
I've been using 200/week with 450 test for a few weeks now and it has definitely helped with my shoulder issues. Sometimes my joints feel kind of tight, like there is pressure in them. But not painful, so I'm happy with it so far.
I had an interesting conversation with my doctor today about deca though. She is not much of a fan. She was telling me that it can mess with blood sugar and elevate triglycerides. Have any of you guys running this long term noticed any of that?
I had an interesting conversation with my doctor today about deca though. She is not much of a fan. She was telling me that it can mess with blood sugar and elevate triglycerides. Have any of you guys running this long term noticed any of that?
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Yes 200mg per week provided me with joint relief... However like you will find, it is a band-aid solution as it only helps when your on it.
In saying that, if it helps then go for it because using a little deca is far better than using pain meds or nothing IMO, but expect the pain or issue that it remedies to more than likely return once you come off it (a few people have reported their issues were remedied and didn't come back).
In saying that, if it helps then go for it because using a little deca is far better than using pain meds or nothing IMO, but expect the pain or issue that it remedies to more than likely return once you come off it (a few people have reported their issues were remedied and didn't come back).
Evansworld
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Wow great read on this thread guys thanks for all the info. I have a couple beginner questions that I don't think have been covered here as of yet so I will ask them..
1. Would it be beneficial to run a small dose (maybe 100mg-300mg weekly) of masteron in order to help combat the aromatization of deca? If so, is Masteron just not general safe to cruise on like Deca would be? and that's why no one has suggest it yet?
2. When you're speaking of estradiol levels going up, what are the biggest indicator(s) that you guys look for on a week to week basis for elevation of e2? I fully am aware that bloodwork is the only way to really tell if it's in or out of range, but are there some ques that you guys look for with your feeling of well being in general when your e2 goes in an undesirable range?
Thanks again guys
1. Would it be beneficial to run a small dose (maybe 100mg-300mg weekly) of masteron in order to help combat the aromatization of deca? If so, is Masteron just not general safe to cruise on like Deca would be? and that's why no one has suggest it yet?
2. When you're speaking of estradiol levels going up, what are the biggest indicator(s) that you guys look for on a week to week basis for elevation of e2? I fully am aware that bloodwork is the only way to really tell if it's in or out of range, but are there some ques that you guys look for with your feeling of well being in general when your e2 goes in an undesirable range?
Thanks again guys
I can't offer any advice on your first question but when my E2 came up I had some slight ED issues. I started a low dose AI the day I got my bloodwork back and things went back to normal. Things were still working but I could notice a difference.
Evansworld
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I definitely know the feeling! What's your preferred AI? I'm using exemestane.
Anyone else care to chime in on the questions I asked?
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Well say your TRT protocol is 200mg for example, I used to use 150mg Deca alongside it along with an AI you won't need a dopamine agonist (if you do then .125mg Prami, if not .25mg Prami should do the trick, but only if you need it).
Just add the 150mg Deca into your TRT, then get bloodwork done 6-8 weeks later, see how deca affects your e2 and prolactin and raise AI dose if required or introduce a dopamine agonist.
Just add the 150mg Deca into your TRT, then get bloodwork done 6-8 weeks later, see how deca affects your e2 and prolactin and raise AI dose if required or introduce a dopamine agonist.
Madhaya
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>> Elevated E2 <<
MPRTZ <> Good to hear from you again, and thank you.
So with regard to your "reconsidering HRT" comment, admiteddly, I am not feeling a drastic change in my being, but I am well aware it hasn't even been 10 weeks. As LUCIUS, put it, "...the effects of testosterone are glacial", and I am willing to be patient. That said, I understand the longer I go, the harder a restart becomes. As for incorporating the Deca, I am not wed to administering it to myself though I have paid for & will be receiving it. I have sort of a running thread in the HRT Subforum in which I asked about the following, but it has fallen on deaf ears... or at least, hasn't received any response: My Doc prescribed the Deca @100mg 1x wk for 8 wks in addition to my standing Cyp @200mg 1x wk. I was thinking of dropping this addition of Deca to 80mg 1x wk for the full 10 weeks. I was hoing to hear some thoughts on this because, off hand, I am hypothesizing a few angles.
With regard to my E2 status, as I cover in the aforementioned thread, I'm scheduled to finally get my female panel on Monday. Consensus here dictates that there is no issue since the Doc has me on 2mg 'strozole a week (1mg. 2x wk) to combat 180mg cyp/20mg enan (1x wk) & 500iu HCG (2x wk). Furthermore, I am not presenting any symptomology consistent with inappropriate E2 with the exception of a propensity to lose wood mid sex... this though I attribute to being a fat fuck. I could be wrong; we'll see soon enough... schedule permitting.
As for the Doc, to paraphrase LUCIUS - he's the best kind, there when I need his advice & guidance, but hands off enough to allow me to navigate the experiment. Alas... it is, but a "medical practice". Admittedly, he does not seem extremely well versed in explaining the big picture of HRT, but again, I honor the respect that extends to his patients whereas it expects patient involvement... rather demands it. If you are not willing to engage some due dilligence, I don't think HRT is for you. Again, I must admit I jumped in head first as AAS are no strangers to me; not from extended use, but from previously being a longtime gym rat. I had studied AAS adnauseum for years, I was a member here in its first days (forgot my password) - even before here when this was previously OneMoreRep. I have forgot so much it disgusts me, but I am enjoying refreshing my memory and integrating the new technologies into my thoughts. Only difference is, now I'm an old fat fuck that seriously need make some lifestyle choices, and after coming back with a T reading of 208, I took the jump. But I digress...
STAUNCHED <> Did you jump right in at 200mg a wk & realize said relief, or did you start lower & have to raise to 200mg for the results you wanted? And then to qualify this context a bit for my application, are you a heavy lifter in which are really bashing your joints with max's & negatives or more a high rep "physique guy"? My interests are obviously to alleviate the pain of my "tennis elbow", and I am not under the stress of weightlifting.
EVAN <> With regard to "well being", elevated E2 can present moodiness/mood swings/depression/irritability, lethargy, LOW libido, etc. The "biggest indicators" of tangible physical symptomology are acne, gynecomastia, edema, and high blood pressure. Notable mention is that it can play with your lipids & can cause insulin resistance, as well, which can be a cause for the aforementioned lethargy... specifically after meals.
MPRTZ <> Good to hear from you again, and thank you.
So with regard to your "reconsidering HRT" comment, admiteddly, I am not feeling a drastic change in my being, but I am well aware it hasn't even been 10 weeks. As LUCIUS, put it, "...the effects of testosterone are glacial", and I am willing to be patient. That said, I understand the longer I go, the harder a restart becomes. As for incorporating the Deca, I am not wed to administering it to myself though I have paid for & will be receiving it. I have sort of a running thread in the HRT Subforum in which I asked about the following, but it has fallen on deaf ears... or at least, hasn't received any response: My Doc prescribed the Deca @100mg 1x wk for 8 wks in addition to my standing Cyp @200mg 1x wk. I was thinking of dropping this addition of Deca to 80mg 1x wk for the full 10 weeks. I was hoing to hear some thoughts on this because, off hand, I am hypothesizing a few angles.
- 1) 80mg is not enough to aid my tennis elbow, and at this dose it extends the cycle to 10 weeks with it's half-life extending to 13 potentially causing greater HPTA disruption?
- 2) A 100mg @8 week duration is a shorter cycle in which might have less effect on longer term HPTA disruption & therefore a restart.
- 3) The Deca induced HPTA disruption is a somewhat moot point as I'm on HRT (t & hcg).
With regard to my E2 status, as I cover in the aforementioned thread, I'm scheduled to finally get my female panel on Monday. Consensus here dictates that there is no issue since the Doc has me on 2mg 'strozole a week (1mg. 2x wk) to combat 180mg cyp/20mg enan (1x wk) & 500iu HCG (2x wk). Furthermore, I am not presenting any symptomology consistent with inappropriate E2 with the exception of a propensity to lose wood mid sex... this though I attribute to being a fat fuck. I could be wrong; we'll see soon enough... schedule permitting.
As for the Doc, to paraphrase LUCIUS - he's the best kind, there when I need his advice & guidance, but hands off enough to allow me to navigate the experiment. Alas... it is, but a "medical practice". Admittedly, he does not seem extremely well versed in explaining the big picture of HRT, but again, I honor the respect that extends to his patients whereas it expects patient involvement... rather demands it. If you are not willing to engage some due dilligence, I don't think HRT is for you. Again, I must admit I jumped in head first as AAS are no strangers to me; not from extended use, but from previously being a longtime gym rat. I had studied AAS adnauseum for years, I was a member here in its first days (forgot my password) - even before here when this was previously OneMoreRep. I have forgot so much it disgusts me, but I am enjoying refreshing my memory and integrating the new technologies into my thoughts. Only difference is, now I'm an old fat fuck that seriously need make some lifestyle choices, and after coming back with a T reading of 208, I took the jump. But I digress...
STAUNCHED <> Did you jump right in at 200mg a wk & realize said relief, or did you start lower & have to raise to 200mg for the results you wanted? And then to qualify this context a bit for my application, are you a heavy lifter in which are really bashing your joints with max's & negatives or more a high rep "physique guy"? My interests are obviously to alleviate the pain of my "tennis elbow", and I am not under the stress of weightlifting.
EVAN <> With regard to "well being", elevated E2 can present moodiness/mood swings/depression/irritability, lethargy, LOW libido, etc. The "biggest indicators" of tangible physical symptomology are acne, gynecomastia, edema, and high blood pressure. Notable mention is that it can play with your lipids & can cause insulin resistance, as well, which can be a cause for the aforementioned lethargy... specifically after meals.
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STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
No I started on 600mg per week as part of a blast (was initially 400mg but decided to go higher) and then lowered to 150mg per week, however I stopped using the deca for 2 weeks to drop blood levels a little quicker due to the long ass ester on it and then commenced at 150mg per week alongside my 200mg T, but I never got bloods done on this and eventually dropped the deca and yes I can certainly say my joints don't feel as "smooth"... It's just a very subtle effect of joints don't pop and crack as much which has always been a problem for me but I work around it to answer your question by not pushing ridiculous weights, but regardless I don't train for raw power and train for size, which with time = strength anyway. Knees are the worst though, I sure as fuck do not squat and to be honest my leg routine has been leg press predominantly, leg extensions followed by lunges and I am happy with the size on them for just those exercises that I do. I do follow a more higher rep style training, lots of drop sets, focussing on form and contracting the muscle, mind muscle connection (very underestimated concept IMO) rather than throw on as many plates as I can lift.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Yes subtle, didn't really notice much different between running 600mg compared to 150mg joint wise. 150mg would be the lowest IMO. I have seen a few guys benefit from 100mg via anecdotal reports, but it's usually because they are getting Pharma Deca from a clinic etc...
Evansworld
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MPRTZ <> Good to hear from you again, and thank you.
So with regard to your "reconsidering HRT" comment, admiteddly, I am not feeling a drastic change in my being, but I am well aware it hasn't even been 10 weeks. As LUCIUS, put it, "...the effects of testosterone are glacial", and I am willing to be patient. That said, I understand the longer I go, the harder a restart becomes. As for incorporating the Deca, I am not wed to administering it to myself though I have paid for & will be receiving it. I have sort of a running thread in the HRT Subforum in which I asked about the following, but it has fallen on deaf ears... or at least, hasn't received any response: My Doc prescribed the Deca @100mg 1x wk for 8 wks in addition to my standing Cyp @200mg 1x wk. I was thinking of dropping this addition of Deca to 80mg 1x wk for the full 10 weeks. I was hoing to hear some thoughts on this because, off hand, I am hypothesizing a few angles.
- 1) 80mg is not enough to aid my tennis elbow, and at this dose it extends the cycle to 10 weeks with it's half-life extending to 13 potentially causing greater HPTA disruption?
- 2) A 100mg @8 week duration is a shorter cycle in which might have less effect on longer term HPTA disruption & therefore a restart.
- 3) The Deca induced HPTA disruption is a somewhat moot point as I'm on HRT (t & hcg).
With regard to my E2 status, as I cover in the aforementioned thread, I'm scheduled to finally get my female panel on Monday. Consensus here dictates that there is no issue since the Doc has me on 2mg 'strozole a week (1mg. 2x wk) to combat 180mg cyp/20mg enan (1x wk) & 500iu HCG (2x wk). Furthermore, I am not presenting any symptomology consistent with inappropriate E2 with the exception of a propensity to lose wood mid sex... this though I attribute to being a fat fuck. I could be wrong; we'll see soon enough... schedule permitting.
As for the Doc, to paraphrase LUCIUS - he's the best kind, there when I need his advice & guidance, but hands off enough to allow me to navigate the experiment. Alas... it is, but a "medical practice". Admittedly, he does not seem extremely well versed in explaining the big picture of HRT, but again, I honor the respect that extends to his patients whereas it expects patient involvement... rather demands it. If you are not willing to engage some due dilligence, I don't think HRT is for you. Again, I must admit I jumped in head first as AAS are no strangers to me; not from extended use, but from previously being a longtime gym rat. I had studied AAS adnauseum for years, I was a member here in its first days (forgot my password) - even before here when this was previously OneMoreRep. I have forgot so much it disgusts me, but I am enjoying refreshing my memory and integrating the new technologies into my thoughts. Only difference is, now I'm an old fat fuck that seriously need make some lifestyle choices, and after coming back with a T reading of 208, I took the jump. But I digress...
STAUNCHED <> Did you jump right in at 200mg a wk & realize said relief, or did you start lower & have to raise to 200mg for the results you wanted? And then to qualify this context a bit for my application, are you a heavy lifter in which are really bashing your joints with max's & negatives or more a high rep "physique guy"? My interests are obviously to alleviate the pain of my "tennis elbow", and I am not under the stress of weightlifting.
EVAN <> With regard to "well being", elevated E2 can present moodiness/mood swings/depression/irritability, lethargy, LOW libido, etc. The "biggest indicators" of tangible physical symptomology are acne, gynecomastia, edema, and high blood pressure. Notable mention is that it can play with your lipids & can cause insulin resistance, as well, which can be a cause for the aforementioned lethargy... specifically after meals.
thanks a ton man! appreciate it
Harnold
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I'm curious to know how that deca turns out for you. I didn't get any relief from joint pain or anti-inflammatory results from it at all. I was happy to start it as I was really looking forward to some help.
Madhaya
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HARNOLD <> That post you quoted was 6 months old, and STAUNCH, explains in this thread how the cycle went for him.. at least, in the context of Deca for Medicinal Purposes.
I will add that as it was me who revived this thread asking the same question you just did, I have found a peptide TB-500 <--link, in my research, that is seemingly extremely effective in combatting joint pain.
HARNOLD <> That post you quoted was 6 months old, and STAUNCH, explains in this thread how the cycle went for him.. at least, in the context of Deca for Medicinal Purposes.
I will add that as it was me who revived this thread asking the same question you just did, I have found a peptide TB-500 <--link, in my research, that is seemingly extremely effective in combatting joint pain.
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