feel free to rip me apart on this

[buzzkill]

So I need some advice. I've done 3 cycles now and kept 20lbs of it 3 months since my last cycle.

I'm 25. 6'2 188 lbs 8.7% bf (hydrostatic) and I've been training for 5 years. I want to run another cycle and put on some nice clean lean gains (5-10 would be great if I can even get the bf down)

I had to cut my last cycle of test e short because of a gyno problem (wasn't solved with letro, I think I let it get too out of hand before I started an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) though). So I have 6 weeks left of test e (at 500mg). I know 6 weeks isn't long enough, but last time I stopped at week 9 and my gains plateaued at week 6 anyways. So that combined with how I didn't like the gyno and acne I want to just finish it off. Plus I know test is best

In my head I was thinking of
week 1-4 tbol at 40-50mg ed
week 2-8 test e 500mg (sun/thur)
week 6-10 Winstrol (winny) 30mg ed
week 10-14 nolva 20 ed
week 1-14 .5 arimidex EOD
It's unconventional I know but I hope everyone sees why I don't want to run the typical 10-15 week test e. And I have the tbol running first to have good gains when I start the test e and I have the Winstrol (winny) bc I want to lose the water and harden up

I also have a hesitation about Winstrol (winny) for it's joint demolition tendencies. Anyone recommend anything I should do different keeping in mind my goals?

I appreciate any advice

 

[OX]

this is a cluster fuck bro...you dont have enough gear to run a cycle from what it sounds.

If you want gains then you dont start the tbol before test. 6 weeks of test isnt enough to do anything with. Your gains didnt plateau...your diet did

you have tons of learning to do

 

[heavyiron]

Where is the AI?

 

[buzzkill]

this is a cluster fuck bro...you dont have enough gear to run a cycle from what it sounds.

If you want gains then you dont start the tbol before test. 6 weeks of test isnt enough to do anything with. Your gains didnt plateau...your diet did

you have tons of learning to do

really I can get anything else I want. I just don't want to waste the test and was wondering if there's any way I can work around it

 

[OX]

really I can get anything else I want. I just don't want to waste the test and was wondering if there's any way I can work around it

really. Its retarded to run a 6 week cycle of test.

 

[buzzkill]

Where is the AI?

ooops .5 arimidex EOD week 1-14

 

[OX]

Where is the AI?

good point. But there is so much more wrong with his layout lol

 

[ChrisWho?]

Your gains plateued becasue you weren't eating enough cals to support more mass.

 

[buzzkill]

good point. But there is so much more wrong with his layout lol

is the problem the length that I run the test? If I ran it for 10 weeks I'd run test and tbol starting week 1

 

[OX]

is the problem the length that I run the test? If I ran it for 10 weeks I'd run test and tbol starting week 1

thats alot better then the way you did have it

 

[Zeek]

Your whole reasoning is flawed for running that mess. You state that you don't want to waste the test. Put it up for a later cycle when you can buy the right things to make it worth while.

The post cycle therapy (pct) is nolva only at 20mg per day? is that all you have on hand?

Honestly, go back to the drawing board, I'm sure you can come up with a much better plan. Welcome to ology!

 

[buzzkill]

Your whole reasoning is flawed for running that mess. You state that you don't want to waste the test. Put it up for a later cycle when you can buy the right things to make it worth while.

The pct is nolva only at 20mg per day? is that all you have on hand?

Honestly, go back to the drawing board, I'm sure you can come up with a much better plan. Welcome to ology!

Tried to make the best of it. But you're probably right. Back to the drawing board

 

[heavyiron]

6 weeks is the bare minimum I would run test. With this ester you will essentially get about 7 1/2 to 8 weeks so looks fine to me. I like the finish with the Winstrol (winny) to drop the water and stay anabolic however I would run the Winstrol (winny) a bit shorter and higher dose. Maybe 50mg daily weeks 7-10.

Just keep your nutrition and training on track and you will do fine brother.

 

[OX]

Tried to make the best of it. But you're probably right. Back to the drawing board

Thats a good idea. If you have any questions that we can help you with then feel free to ask. Thats what we are here for. On the other hand we wont spoon feed so try and do a little research before you ask.

Welcome brotha

 

[buzzkill]

6 weeks is the bare minimum I would run test. With this ester you will essentially get about 7 1/2 to 8 weeks so looks fine to me. I like the finish with the Winstrol (winny) to drop the water and stay anabolic however I would run the Winstrol (winny) a bit shorter and higher dose. Maybe 50mg daily weeks 7-10.

Just keep your nutrition and training on track and you will do fine brother.

what about joint problems with Winstrol (winny)? Will I have more issues at higher doses? I've never used it

 

[OX]

what about joint problems with Winstrol (winny)? Will I have more issues at higher doses? I've never used it

some people claim it doesnt bother them in that way but most claim it causes soreness. Winstrol (winny) drys you out and will also dry out your joints.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

there is no reason to even think about running a cycle without TEST!!!

 

[darkside06]

bottom line, you need more gear. You don't have enough to make it worth your while.

 

[China_Wall]

ok... when u decided to use gear u were under 170lbs at 6'2"?? that's where this mess all started bro... drop the tbol, not at all necessary for u at this point... and don't even think about the winny

run a straight test e cycle at 500mg per week for 12-15 weeks and don't do a "pussy-ass give up"this time just because of a bit of gyno... it comes with the territory bro... run the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) throughout your entire cyle and it won't be an issue

as for u saying your gains stopped at week 9 last time... well, that was 100% due to your diet

for PCT... i know where Zeek was going asking if u were just gonna run nolva alone at 20mg ed for PCT... that would just be a complete waste of time... get some clomid, run it at 50mg per day along with 30mg of nolva for a month

I think I've just about sorted u out... make this one count bro... good luck

 

[gymrat827]

i would drop down to 400mg and run it 1.5wks longer. The gains will be better this way cuz you will spend more total time on cycle. more time having multiple compounds providing you strength gains.


id do:

1-5 t bol @ 40mg
2-10 tes E @ 400mg
8-12 Winstrol (winny) @ 30mg
1-12 adex .5 EOD


when your on the Winstrol (winny) & Aromatase inhibitor (AI) late in the cycle take tons of fish oil, cissus for your joints. EFA's, etc etc