HRT Exit Strategy...

[cashout]

That bench is awesome. So is the chins. how often did you do those lifts per week and how many sets?

I don't want to make this a "cashout's training" thread so very briefly - I train each body part once a week. Sets vary but I never do anything less than 10 reps.

 

[cashout]

I would use aromasin for post cycle therapy (pct) with 25 mg of clomid and maybe some novla.

This is not a post cycle therapy (pct) it is an exit from Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) after 2 years. I would not expect the protocol you described to work well for what I am doing.

 

[cashout]

One full week in the books...

So far, one week into the exit and I have really pretty limited insights to report.

This week 4 2000 iu shots of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) - has jump started the testes. They feel fuller and have certainly descended some.

Nothing to report in changes in training, mood, or sense of well being - all status quo. I feel fine.

Next week is slated for Tue/Thur/Sat injections of 2000 iu of HCG.

Will post updates as needed.

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

Good to hear the updates thus far. I wish you best of luck for the weeks ahead and I hope we all learn some insights from the task you have undertaken.

 

[maxxmill17]

I couldnt help all weekend but think about Cash's blood levels then his stregnth levels.

In my locals gym since 1988 i was always by fay the strongest for my bodyweight then even guys 50 pounds bigger had tough time hanging. that all stiopped when i hit 35 . Now i pull off big shirt and wear tank even the young dudes freak about my viens and muscle quality...here come the BUT..but fuck i train with bitch weights on 180mgs o T a week and my blood levels fuck, i have twisted tweaked prodded all drungs cant come close to his. .0625 letro 2x per week drops my E to 4. 180mgs T t level 1800..his weights he pushes fuck..i tip my hat; testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) your the schwatzenegger of it all.

 

[cashout]

Yesterday was 2000 iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) again - first shot of week 2. Another scheduled for tomorrow morning.

Nothing significant to report so far - status quo. Still feeling fine.

I am eager to know if the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has done its job in upping my own test production but I won't get the blood draw done until next week Friday morning once I get past the last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot.

Have to wait until the following Monday or Tuesday to get the results...ahhh the waiting cue Tom Petty.

 

[Tony Mathew]

Back in the bad old days where you had to say you'd be straight after transition and they didn't let transwomen start Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) unless they already had a reasonable chance of passing. Yes, it's insane to pluck people out of the familiar and away from their support networks, but back then the shrinks were advising super stealth. The fact that it was psychologically unhealthy and bad for organizing to get basic rights didn't matter.

Thanks.
Tony
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[cashout]

UPDATE - Last week of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG).

Took a 2000 iu shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) this morning and I am down to my last two Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shots - Wednesday and Friday.

Blood draw has been **rescheduled** for Wednesday morning this week and I **hope** to have the results back by Friday afternoon.

My Doc is off next week so I wouldn't be able to get the result next week if I waited until Friday after my last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shot.

Regardless, we really should know by Wednesday if the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) has done its job.

So far, I really have not felt any different. Training and diet are still status quo.

I feel bad that I don't have any great insights to share but everything is going very smoothly with this exercise right now.

 

[bill_boy2005]

Awesome thread Cashout. Having just started Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) myself, its nice to know that people are learnig gwhat it takes to leave it properly and are willing to share the wealth of knowledge gained from that with others.

 

[cashout]

Blood drawn this morning. Hopefully results will be available by Friday afternoon.

 

[neugene]

Hey Cash,
I am guessing you chose to use letro because of its great ability to reduce estrogen and your tendency to aromatize. However, I read somewhere that nolvadex can significantly lower blood levels of both letro and adex and the better choice would be aromasin because this does not happen. Any thoughts?
Thanks

 

[cashout]

First round of blood work is back and I am cautiously optimistic that things are going well.

Quickie numbers from the sheets....

Total Test: 878
% Free Test: 4.72%
Test Free: 51.2
LH: 7.2
FSH: 10.3
SHBG: 24.3
E2: 34.2

Okay, so my LH and FSH are way up from the HCG applications. That is good. My test is up from last Pre-HRT level of 579 so that is exciting too.

My estrogen is up even with the letro M/Th at 1.25 mg. Just goes to show how strongly HCG can contribute to estrogen conversion.

I took my last shot of HCG this morning and tomorrow I begin Clomid and Nolva treatment. I **hope** that the application of the Clomid and Nolva can help stabilize my test levels over the next 45 days of the treatments.

This is just the first hurdle and I haven't accomplished anything really other than to demonstrate that my HPTA is fully functional given the appropriate exogenous stimuli.

The key indication will be the future blood draws to see if my levels will hold absent the exogenous stimuli of the HCG.

There it is so far!

 

[cashout]

Hey Cash,
I am guessing you chose to use letro because of its great ability to reduce estrogen and your tendency to aromatize. However, I read somewhere that nolvadex can significantly lower blood levels of both letro and adex and the better choice would be aromasin because this does not happen. Any thoughts?
Thanks

Yup. The literature says that nolva in conjunction with letro can reduce the effectiveness of letro by up to 40%.

I choose letro b/c it is what I was using on my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) protocol and seemed to work better for me at controlling estrogen than adex.

Asin would have been a choice that I could have opted for if I was staying on my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) protocol but since I was trying to do an exit and restore my natural HTPA, I wanted to stay away from Asin because it is a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI). It has been shown to exhibit some affinity for the androgen receptor because of its steroidal nature. I wanted to avoid any androgen receptor positive compounds that could impact HPTA recovery.

So, I opted to up my letro dosage during the exit to avoid using a steroid Aromatase inhibitor (AI) that could counter my recovery.

 

[maxxmill17]

results are nothting shy of perfect so far.
Neugene was asking about letro..why did you use it in your past trt?

 

[cashout]

results are nothting shy of perfect so far.
Neugene was asking about letro..why did you use it in your past trt?

B/c of the half-life of letro, it worked better for me than adex and I was able to use less of the drug overall than I could with adex.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

I love letro but you really have to be a pro a this stuff to use it effectively, or have a pro in your corner to help get you dialed in with it. It has an incredible rebound effect. Not to mention it is expensive as all hell, if your insurance doesnt cover it.

 

[cashout]

I love letro but you really have to be a pro a this stuff to use it effectively, or have a pro in your corner to help get you dialed in with it. It has an incredible rebound effect. Not to mention it is expensive as all hell, if your insurance doesnt cover it.

Chip is right...it takes a while to reach a stable blood level with letro and the taper out when discontinuing is lengthy otherwise the rebound is very strong.

That's why I'm tapering it out over such a long period of time at the end of this exit.

 

[cjw2021]

I did a gallbladder flush and am taking the calcium d glucarate and since doing this my estrogen levels are much better without the need for high doses of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I like aromasin because it is very forgiving. But if you have high estrogen sensitivity it may not be strong enough. I split my 200mg a week T dose up to 100mg twice a week and that may be helping too. I am not currently on HCG though.

Glad to see your balls work Cashout. Does this mean no more Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for you? lol

My numbers - Bench 315x7
Squat 450 x 10 (squatted 600 in the smith machine for one rep but smith doesn't count for much in my mind)
Deadlift 455x3

My deadlift sucks. Part of the reason these numbers are low is because I have so many things going and no time to eat. I'm hoping this year I will have more time to eat to grow. Hard to recover on a 2k calorie diet. And cashout those numbbers are quite impressive at your bodyweight.

 

[MoparMuscle]

CJ: That deadlift is great CJ, took me awhile to get to 505lb and it's taking me forever to get the raw (no belt/straps) up. That squat is great also.

Cashout: I am loving this thread. Thank you for posting all of this.

I did a gallbladder flush and am taking the calcium d glucarate and since doing this my estrogen levels are much better without the need for high doses of an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). I like aromasin because it is very forgiving. But if you have high estrogen sensitivity it may not be strong enough. I split my 200mg a week T dose up to 100mg twice a week and that may be helping too. I am not currently on HCG though.

Glad to see your balls work Cashout. Does this mean no more Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for you? lol

My numbers - Bench 315x7
Squat 450 x 10 (squatted 600 in the smith machine for one rep but smith doesn't count for much in my mind)
Deadlift 455x3

My deadlift sucks. Part of the reason these numbers are low is because I have so many things going and no time to eat. I'm hoping this year I will have more time to eat to grow. Hard to recover on a 2k calorie diet. And cashout those numbbers are quite impressive at your bodyweight.

 

[cjw2021]

Yeah the 455x3 is raw. Maybe at this point I need to start using straps and a belt. I have actually still been gaining strength on 200mg a week. So if anyone thinks that you can't get quite strong on a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose you are definitely wrong.